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Post by Player Representative on Dec 9, 2020 12:36:08 GMT -8
Hard reject, that Oilers 1st should not be moving.
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Post by Ottawa Senators GM on Dec 9, 2020 13:57:23 GMT -8
by my count this is reject/final
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Post by fisk33n on Dec 9, 2020 17:46:02 GMT -8
well this is fucked.
6 accept (5 counting buf change of heart during the vote period, but did not take away his accept) agains 3 rejects. Then leting it be up so people can change it.
Yes I got that people think it was unfair. And if it was due to change of the deal "middeal" then alot of the accepted trades before should be rejected aswell in my book.
Not getting pissed due to not getting the deal atm, just getting mad that we have rules and then we don't play by them when it fits us. When i wrote my Final message it was 6.2/5-3 depending on where to put buffalo. (Even thou the trade was the same when he accepted in the first place.) And I also know that admins saw that count, that is what makes me mad about this situation.
Maybe should take away the all GM as mods, and post it thru an admin and let you guys decide if it goes thru or not instead then.
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Post by Montreal Canadiens GM on Dec 9, 2020 17:58:11 GMT -8
well this is fucked. 6 accept (5 counting buf change of heart during the vote period, but did not take away his accept) agains 3 rejects. Then leting it be up so people can change it. Yes I got that people think it was unfair. And if it was due to change of the deal "middeal" then alot of the accepted trades before should be rejected aswell in my book. Not getting pissed due to not getting the deal atm, just getting mad that we have rules and then we don't play by them when it fits us. When i wrote my Final message it was 6.2/5-3 depending on where to put buffalo. (Even thou the trade was the same when he accepted in the first place.) And I also know that admins saw that count, that is what makes me mad about this situation. Maybe should take away the all GM as mods, and post it thru an admin and let you guys decide if it goes thru or not instead then. I do kind of agree with you on the changing point. People have changed the trade while it’s posted mid deal before and no one batted an eye. I think that was just an excuse to get this one in particular taken out. I want to clarify that I do think it’s basis for getting the trade nixed, but it needs to apply to every trade or it just seems like a tool used to annex specific trades people don’t want to happen based on a technicality.
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Post by Vegas Golden Knights GM on Dec 9, 2020 18:00:16 GMT -8
I think we should go back to how it used to be. Have a select few as trade mods, global mods and admins. Not a fan of everybody being able to vote
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Post by Montreal Canadiens GM on Dec 9, 2020 18:11:19 GMT -8
I think we should go back to how it used to be. Have a select few as trade mods, global mods and admins. Not a fan of everybody being able to vote Yeah, if the admins have the power to come in and just shoot down a trade long after it's been accepted there's no real point to everyone being able to vote. It's perfectly fine if the admins have the power to do this, but again, what's the point of everyone voting if that's the case?
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Post by Ottawa Senators GM on Dec 9, 2020 18:20:44 GMT -8
Maybe should take away the all GM as mods, and post it thru an admin and let you guys decide if it goes thru or not instead then. We are discussing this. Yeah, if the admins have the power to come in and just shoot down a trade long after it's been accepted there's no real point to everyone being able to vote. It's perfectly fine if the admins have the power to do this, but again, what's the point of everyone voting if that's the case? FWIW, when I saw this deal for the first time, it had three likes, and five people saying they were rejecting it. I didn't really think past that.
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Post by Montreal Canadiens GM on Dec 9, 2020 18:45:23 GMT -8
Maybe should take away the all GM as mods, and post it thru an admin and let you guys decide if it goes thru or not instead then. We are discussing this. Yeah, if the admins have the power to come in and just shoot down a trade long after it's been accepted there's no real point to everyone being able to vote. It's perfectly fine if the admins have the power to do this, but again, what's the point of everyone voting if that's the case? FWIW, when I saw this deal for the first time, it had three likes, and five people saying they were rejecting it. I didn't really think past that. Because when people started coming in and dismantling this trade people started to remove their likes. I think at one point it was 5-2 or 5-3. By the time it was accepted I'm pretty sure Nucks and Jets were the only rejects, count even got up to 6 likes at one point.
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Post by fisk33n on Dec 9, 2020 19:17:18 GMT -8
We are discussing this. FWIW, when I saw this deal for the first time, it had three likes, and five people saying they were rejecting it. I didn't really think past that. Because when people started coming in and dismantling this trade people started to remove their likes. I think at one point it was 5-2 or 5-3. By the time it was accepted I'm pretty sure Nucks and Jets were the only rejects, count even got up to 6 likes at one point. Yeah when i went to bed it was att 6 likes. But since Buffalo is both a like and a reject in text. I count him as a reject. But it Still was 5/3 Accept att that time. IF we are doing trades like this, it should been an final then. And again, i dont Care about THE trade itself. It is about THE system. As Montreal Said IF an admin have final vore in THE END. Then why even Bother about THE full vote system. Pause all trades. Make up your mind about the trades, update THE trading Rule (it is out of date even before anyway) and then start Up trade process in THE way you guys decided it is now.
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Post by Montreal Canadiens GM on Dec 9, 2020 19:28:43 GMT -8
Because when people started coming in and dismantling this trade people started to remove their likes. I think at one point it was 5-2 or 5-3. By the time it was accepted I'm pretty sure Nucks and Jets were the only rejects, count even got up to 6 likes at one point. Yeah when i went to bed it was att 6 likes. But since Buffalo is both a like and a reject in text. I count him as a reject. But it Still was 5/3 Accept att that time. IF we are doing trades like this, it should been an final then. And again, i dont Care about THE trade itself. It is about THE system. As Montreal Said IF an admin have final vore in THE END. Then why even Bother about THE full vote system. Pause all trades. Make up your mind about the trades, update THE trading Rule (it is out of date even before anyway) and then start Up trade process in THE way you guys decided it is now. Ottawa Senators GM Yeah, I think Anaheim's right here. Put on a trade freeze until you guys decide how you want to do them moving forward.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 23:35:19 GMT -8
I’m an accept. Didn’t know whether or not it was modified after Likes
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 23:39:36 GMT -8
I would consider almost kicking Edmonton tho. From the trades Ive sent him, he’ll accept anything. I think we all know that and he’s probably loving it from somewhere to see how far it goes. Right now, it’s pretty easy to see, teams are trying to rip him off but make the trade appear even. There hasn’t been a trade that Edmonton has won. There should have been red flags when he trades Draisaitl for Lehner, we should’ve known from that move alone that this guy didn’t really care. I’ve stopped trying to make deals with him because it can essentially ruin the league in the long run.
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Post by Winnipeg Jets GM on Dec 9, 2020 23:48:36 GMT -8
well this is fucked. 6 accept (5 counting buf change of heart during the vote period, but did not take away his accept) agains 3 rejects. Then leting it be up so people can change it. Yes I got that people think it was unfair. And if it was due to change of the deal "middeal" then alot of the accepted trades before should be rejected aswell in my book. Not getting pissed due to not getting the deal atm, just getting mad that we have rules and then we don't play by them when it fits us. When i wrote my Final message it was 6.2/5-3 depending on where to put buffalo. (Even thou the trade was the same when he accepted in the first place.) And I also know that admins saw that count, that is what makes me mad about this situation. Maybe should take away the all GM as mods, and post it thru an admin and let you guys decide if it goes thru or not instead then. Now think about how I feel for a second... And how others feel too... Edmonton has dismantled his entire team, and not in a good way. There's a reason 90% of his deals were rejected. Get your head out of your ass!
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Post by Winnipeg Jets GM on Dec 9, 2020 23:58:25 GMT -8
I would consider almost kicking Edmonton tho. From the trades Ive sent him, he’ll accept anything. I think we all know that and he’s probably loving it from somewhere to see how far it goes. Right now, it’s pretty easy to see, teams are trying to rip him off but make the trade appear even. There hasn’t been a trade that Edmonton has won. There should have been red flags when he trades Draisaitl for Lehner, we should’ve known from that move alone that this guy didn’t really care. I’ve stopped trying to make deals with him because it can essentially ruin the league in the long run. No... Drai for Lehner was fine. It was McDavid to Chicago for shit all that folks should've picked up on.
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Post by fisk33n on Dec 10, 2020 0:01:43 GMT -8
well this is fucked. 6 accept (5 counting buf change of heart during the vote period, but did not take away his accept) agains 3 rejects. Then leting it be up so people can change it. Yes I got that people think it was unfair. And if it was due to change of the deal "middeal" then alot of the accepted trades before should be rejected aswell in my book. Not getting pissed due to not getting the deal atm, just getting mad that we have rules and then we don't play by them when it fits us. When i wrote my Final message it was 6.2/5-3 depending on where to put buffalo. (Even thou the trade was the same when he accepted in the first place.) And I also know that admins saw that count, that is what makes me mad about this situation. Maybe should take away the all GM as mods, and post it thru an admin and let you guys decide if it goes thru or not instead then. Now think about how I feel for a second... And how others feel too... Edmonton has dismantled his entire team, and not in a good way. There's a reason 90% of his deals were rejected. Get your head out of your ass! Well as i said. Dont Care about it getting rejected. But more about THE way it got rejected. Since it was 6/2 Accept/rejects. IF they set THE rules where we are mods. This went thru as an Accept yesterday. Then they Changes their mind after it really was final and put it in reject. THE deal itself is not My issue here. They need to stick to THE rules they set of change THE rules period.
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Post by fisk33n on Dec 10, 2020 0:06:43 GMT -8
And Also, when he agreed on this trade ibwas talking to Miiko to see what he thought first. But during THE time hevposted the trade as it was.
I wanted to do a fair trade. Was unsure due to me giving Up 3 under 22 players. Thats why i Asked for advice. But it was to late and then it got accepted . I even sent edm a new offer for when this was gonna get rejected. Since THE Main part inthis deal was that I need an LD.
So Still not a problem with the trade just how it went down. So stop fighting me in this Kruze. I get your point, try and get mine aswell
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Post by Winnipeg Jets GM on Dec 10, 2020 0:14:16 GMT -8
Now think about how I feel for a second... And how others feel too... Edmonton has dismantled his entire team, and not in a good way. There's a reason 90% of his deals were rejected. Get your head out of your ass! Well as i said. Dont Care about it getting rejected. But more about THE way it got rejected. Since it was 6/2 Accept/rejects. IF they set THE rules where we are mods. This went thru as an Accept yesterday. Then they Changes their mind after it really was final and put it in reject. THE deal itself is not My issue here. They need to stick to THE rules they set of change THE rules period. Suck it up buttercup... cuz I may have missed weighing in on the McDavid trade... And I have to deal with that... But you're sitting here mincing on a deal that you, allegedly, don't care about... 🤷🖕 Not buying it...
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Post by fisk33n on Dec 10, 2020 0:36:20 GMT -8
Well as i said. Dont Care about it getting rejected. But more about THE way it got rejected. Since it was 6/2 Accept/rejects. IF they set THE rules where we are mods. This went thru as an Accept yesterday. Then they Changes their mind after it really was final and put it in reject. THE deal itself is not My issue here. They need to stick to THE rules they set of change THE rules period. Suck it up buttercup... cuz I may have missed weighing in on the McDavid trade... And I have to deal with that... But you're sitting here mincing on a deal that you, allegedly, don't care about... 🤷🖕 Not buying it... Well I think rules are there to be followed not broken when it fits others. And the rule is first to 5 rejects/accepts is the "winner". Then that should be followed no matter the situation. That is what I am talking about nothing else at this point. Else we can stop caring about every rule there is here. As they are then more like guidelines and nothing else.
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Post by Winnipeg Jets GM on Dec 10, 2020 0:40:24 GMT -8
Suck it up buttercup... cuz I may have missed weighing in on the McDavid trade... And I have to deal with that... But you're sitting here mincing on a deal that you, allegedly, don't care about... 🤷🖕 Not buying it... Well I think rules are there to be followed not broken when it fits others. And the rule is first to 5 rejects/accepts is the "winner". Then that should be followed no matter the situation. That is what I am talking about nothing else at this point. Else we can stop caring about every rule there is here. As they are then more like guidelines and nothing else. Yeah but you know full well the admins have final say... Don't you, Mikey. 🤨
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Post by Montreal Canadiens GM on Dec 10, 2020 0:41:49 GMT -8
I would consider almost kicking Edmonton tho. From the trades Ive sent him, he’ll accept anything. I think we all know that and he’s probably loving it from somewhere to see how far it goes. Right now, it’s pretty easy to see, teams are trying to rip him off but make the trade appear even. There hasn’t been a trade that Edmonton has won. There should have been red flags when he trades Draisaitl for Lehner, we should’ve known from that move alone that this guy didn’t really care. I’ve stopped trying to make deals with him because it can essentially ruin the league in the long run. No... Drai for Lehner was fine. It was McDavid to Chicago for shit all that folks should've picked up on. Yes, all of those should've been rejected. I don't know why everyone is shaking their heads at Edmonton when they enabled him to do this to his team. We can preach all we want about how Edmonton has dismantled himself but at the end of the day there's a failsafe in place to keep this exact thing from happening, but we just completely ignored it. McDavid trade should've never gone through, Draisaitl trade should've never gone through, period full stop. But it's too little too late, the damage has already been done. The entire deal with this trade being rejected after very obviously accepted raises the question of... why didn't admins step in with those first few trades like they did here and even let it get to this point?
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Post by Winnipeg Jets GM on Dec 10, 2020 0:50:24 GMT -8
No... Drai for Lehner was fine. It was McDavid to Chicago for shit all that folks should've picked up on. Yes, all of those should've been rejected. I don't know why everyone is shaking their heads at Edmonton when they enabled him to do this to his team. We can preach all we want about how Edmonton has dismantled himself but at the end of the day there's a failsafe in place to keep this exact thing from happening, but we just completely ignored it. McDavid trade should've never gone through, Draisaitl trade should've never gone through, period full stop. But it's too little too late, the damage has already been done. The entire deal with this trade being rejected after very obviously accepted raises the question of... why didn't admins step in with those first few trades like they did here and even let it get to this point? Well, I don't think the Drai trade was bad til Lehner got turfed again for shit all.
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Post by fisk33n on Dec 10, 2020 1:13:55 GMT -8
Well I think rules are there to be followed not broken when it fits others. And the rule is first to 5 rejects/accepts is the "winner". Then that should be followed no matter the situation. That is what I am talking about nothing else at this point. Else we can stop caring about every rule there is here. As they are then more like guidelines and nothing else. Yeah but you know full well the admins have final say... Don't you, Mikey. 🤨 Like I said, rules are set by admins. If this is how they want it to be from now on then Fine, but update the damn rule. And this is far from the worst trade that has been accepted. But this was the one getting reversed by admins.. they can't let a few slide and then all of the sudden change the way of things without a word. At this point Admins have not said anything. ottawa was here to late, he can't say anything about how it looked before since people changed their votes after 6/2 when Carolina said his piece. we can argue all we want here, but it is their call in the end. I just want it to be clear from them about what is what when it comes to the rules and such here. And would also love to hear what admin has to say about going in and rejecting an accepted trade like this when they did let the McDavid and Draisaitl slide before. But for now, I am all done with you Kruze. I know we will not be on the same page on this one, and that is okay with me. No hard feelings from my end anyhow, and as I said. I see where you are coming from, but due to "historical trades" I am against this rejection for now.
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Post by Winnipeg Jets GM on Dec 10, 2020 1:18:59 GMT -8
Yeah but you know full well the admins have final say... Don't you, Mikey. 🤨 Like I said, rules are set by admins. If this is how they want it to be from now on then Fine, but update the damn rule. And this is far from the worst trade that has been accepted. But this was the one getting reversed by admins.. they can't let a few slide and then all of the sudden change the way of things without a word. At this point Admins have not said anything. ottawa was here to late, he can't say anything about how it looked before since people changed their votes after 6/2 when Carolina said his piece. we can argue all we want here, but it is their call in the end. I just want it to be clear from them about what is what when it comes to the rules and such here. And would also love to hear what admin has to say about going in and rejecting an accepted trade like this when they did let the McDavid and Draisaitl slide before. But for now, I am all done with you Kruze. I know we will not be on the same page on this one, and that is okay with me. No hard feelings from my end anyhow, and as I said. I see where you are coming from, but due to "historical trades" I am against this rejection for now. This isn't ManMMA, dipshit... You're in my world now.
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Post by fisk33n on Dec 10, 2020 3:42:24 GMT -8
Like I said, rules are set by admins. If this is how they want it to be from now on then Fine, but update the damn rule. And this is far from the worst trade that has been accepted. But this was the one getting reversed by admins.. they can't let a few slide and then all of the sudden change the way of things without a word. At this point Admins have not said anything. ottawa was here to late, he can't say anything about how it looked before since people changed their votes after 6/2 when Carolina said his piece. we can argue all we want here, but it is their call in the end. I just want it to be clear from them about what is what when it comes to the rules and such here. And would also love to hear what admin has to say about going in and rejecting an accepted trade like this when they did let the McDavid and Draisaitl slide before. But for now, I am all done with you Kruze. I know we will not be on the same page on this one, and that is okay with me. No hard feelings from my end anyhow, and as I said. I see where you are coming from, but due to "historical trades" I am against this rejection for now. This isn't ManMMA, dipshit... You're in my world now. Real mature Kruze
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Post by New York Rangers GM on Dec 10, 2020 4:55:24 GMT -8
Grow up kruze. Banter is one thing but name calling is unnecessary.
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Post by Vegas Golden Knights GM on Dec 10, 2020 7:49:57 GMT -8
Wait, is Ducks Aldred?
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Post by fisk33n on Dec 10, 2020 9:00:25 GMT -8
I dont know what/who Aldred is 🤷
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Post by Winnipeg Jets GM on Dec 10, 2020 11:26:00 GMT -8
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