Edm/PHi

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

To

LW Jaden Schwartz SNP 87 (28) 5.350M UFA 2021 2 mill retained

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To

CHI 2021 1ST

Edmonton stated he’s pushing for playoffs. Schwartz isn’t doing so hot and Chicago is pushing upward as hard as he can (based on commented on discord) so I figure this will be a 5-10 range pick which I’m fine with

[thehockeyist]

Accept.

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Just because Chicago says he's going to push doesn't mean it's going to work, not sure how he plans to do it because he literally has no assets. And as you said Schwartz is playing like shit, probably won't even be an 87 next season as things are right now if Edmonton does choose to resign him. Reject. 

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

Dec 11, 2020 19:46:40 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Just because Chicago says he's going to push doesn't mean it's going to work, not sure how he plans to do it because he literally has no assets. And as you said Schwartz is playing like shit, probably won't even be an 87 next season as things are right now if Edmonton does choose to resign him. Reject. 

Well it is December and he’s likely an 86 at the end of the year regardless so trading an 86 for a mid-range lottery pick seems pretty fair, no?

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 11, 2020 19:49:14 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 19:46:40 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Just because Chicago says he's going to push doesn't mean it's going to work, not sure how he plans to do it because he literally has no assets. And as you said Schwartz is playing like shit, probably won't even be an 87 next season as things are right now if Edmonton does choose to resign him. Reject. 

Well it is December and he’s likely an 86 at the end of the year regardless so trading an 86 for a mid-range lottery pick seems pretty fair, no?

Chicago's pick isn't mid-range though, that's the issue. If you're getting something like Nashville's pick, sure. But as it stands I believe Chicago is currently the worst team in the league by a good margin from what Canes has said. It also goes past just what overall he is, it's how he sims as well. Go ask Vegas what Kapizov would cost, sure as shit more than just your average 83 overall 23 year old Sniper.

[Vegas Golden Knights GM]

Dec 11, 2020 19:49:14 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 19:46:40 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Just because Chicago says he's going to push doesn't mean it's going to work, not sure how he plans to do it because he literally has no assets. And as you said Schwartz is playing like shit, probably won't even be an 87 next season as things are right now if Edmonton does choose to resign him. Reject. 

Well it is December and he’s likely an 86 at the end of the year regardless so trading an 86 for a mid-range lottery pick seems pretty fair, no?

Not a potential top 5 pick

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

Dec 11, 2020 19:55:28 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 19:49:14 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Well it is December and he’s likely an 86 at the end of the year regardless so trading an 86 for a mid-range lottery pick seems pretty fair, no?

Not a potential top 5 pick

Everyone has a potential top 5 pick at this point in the year.

[Vegas Golden Knights GM]

Dec 11, 2020 19:56:41 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 19:55:28 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

Not a potential top 5 pick

Everyone has a potential top 5 pick at this point in the year.

No, they really don’t lol

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

Dec 11, 2020 19:57:21 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 19:56:41 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Everyone has a potential top 5 pick at this point in the year.

No, they really don’t lol

Montreal was first 20 games ago and now he’s bottom 5

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 11, 2020 19:56:41 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 19:55:28 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

Not a potential top 5 pick

Everyone has a potential top 5 pick at this point in the year.

You're right, but the chances of Chicago's pick being top 5 is exorbitantly higher than really all other teams. That's what we're basing it off of. 

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 11, 2020 19:57:59 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 19:57:21 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

No, they really don’t lol

Montreal was first 20 games ago and now he’s bottom 5

After last week I'm back in a playoff spot  

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

All I’m saying here is that I’m taking the gamble. Not Oilers. I’m betting that Chicago stays low and I’m trading a guy I paid a high price for

[wynne]

I just don’t like any trade Edmonton seems to make tbh. Never makes sense.

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

Dec 11, 2020 19:58:48 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 19:57:59 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Montreal was first 20 games ago and now he’s bottom 5

After last week I'm back in a playoff spot  

Well look at that. Picks are volatile 😋

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 11, 2020 19:59:50 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 19:58:48 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

After last week I'm back in a playoff spot  

Well look at that. Picks are volatile 😋

Difference is my division is extremely tight, Chicago is 10 points back of the team ahead of him.

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

Dec 11, 2020 19:59:46 GMT -8 wynne said:

I just don’t like any trade Edmonton seems to make tbh. Never makes sense.

direct quote from Oilers on discord:

I hereby swear to the God of Hockey that I will do my best to make the playoffs.

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

Dec 11, 2020 20:00:37 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 19:59:50 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Well look at that. Picks are volatile 😋

Difference is my division is extremely tight, Chicago is 10 points back of the team ahead of him.

He’s also got McDavid and Gaudreau. It’ll get better

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 11, 2020 19:59:07 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

All I’m saying here is that I’m taking the gamble. Not Oilers. I’m betting that Chicago stays low and I’m trading a guy I paid a high price for

Oilers is 100% taking a gamble. Just like how I took a gamble trading players who were surefire and preforming well in Kotkaniemi and Tatar for players who were playing like absolute dogshit in Dach and Kreider. It took a while but it looks like that gamble is somewhat paying off for me, but it was definitely a gamble. Edmonton's gambling on the fact that Schwartz does a complete 180, which is definitely a big gamble.

[wynne]

Dec 11, 2020 20:00:44 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 19:59:46 GMT -8 wynne said:

I just don’t like any trade Edmonton seems to make tbh. Never makes sense.

direct quote from Oilers on discord:

I hereby swear to the God of Hockey that I will do my best to make the playoffs.

What he says means nothing. He traded Draisaitl for a goalie, then traded McDavid to get Kane, and then traded him away immediately. By Monday he’ll be trading one of his better players for picks or prospects again.

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

The difference is that Schwartz’ value is known. He’s an 87. Likely to be an 86-ish. Not a rental. The pick could be all over the place. How can you say this trade is in my favour?

[Colorado Avalanche GM]

Schwartz isn't worth what is probably the 1st overall pick as Chicago isn't going anywhere no matter what he says. Rejected

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

Dec 11, 2020 20:04:37 GMT -8 wynne said:

Dec 11, 2020 20:00:44 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

direct quote from Oilers on discord:

I hereby swear to the God of Hockey that I will do my best to make the playoffs.

What he says means nothing. He traded Draisaitl for a goalie, then traded McDavid to get Kane, and then traded him away immediately. By Monday he’ll be trading one of his better players for picks or prospects again.

Definitely possible but we can’t just reject every trade that he puts forward just because it’s him. We asked for his direction and we got it which is why I offered him this trade

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 11, 2020 20:05:54 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

The difference is that Schwartz’ value is known. He’s an 87. Likely to be an 86-ish. Not a rental. The pick could be all over the place. How can you say this trade is in my favour?

Because Chicago is the worst team in the league by a huge margin in January. And no, Schwartz's value isn't known. Currently He's playing absolutely awful

[Calgary Flames GM]

If that Chicago pick is worth more than Giordano then it can't be worth the same as a forward performing badly

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

Dec 11, 2020 20:10:49 GMT -8 Calgary Flames GM said:

If that Chicago pick is worth more than Giordano then it can't be worth the same as a forward performing badly

Except Schwartz is only 28 so his value is higher than Gio

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 11, 2020 20:12:11 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 20:10:49 GMT -8 Calgary Flames GM said:

If that Chicago pick is worth more than Giordano then it can't be worth the same as a forward performing badly

Except Schwartz is only 28 so his value is higher than Gio

Gio will probably still be high 80s for the next couple years. Schwartz is on a downward spiral. Probably lucky if he's even an 86 overall by next season. 

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

Dec 11, 2020 20:16:13 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 20:12:11 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Except Schwartz is only 28 so his value is higher than Gio

Gio will probably still be high 80s for the next couple years. Schwartz is on a downward spiral. Probably lucky if he's even an 86 overall by next season. 

I’d hope not. Performance downgrades aren’t set in the rules anywhere other than they’re eligible for it

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 11, 2020 20:17:52 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 20:16:13 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Gio will probably still be high 80s for the next couple years. Schwartz is on a downward spiral. Probably lucky if he's even an 86 overall by next season. 

I’d hope not. Performance downgrades aren’t set in the rules anywhere other than they’re eligible for it

"- Production. If a player does not produce as their overall would suggest (ex. a 90 overall player getting 30 points) they will receive a downgrade." An 87 overall sniper who has 2 goals in 24 games is 100% getting a performance downgrade. You showed me a DM yourself between you and PR where he said Schwartz will very likely be downgraded 

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

Dec 11, 2020 20:20:18 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Dec 11, 2020 20:17:52 GMT -8 Philadelphia Flyers GM said:

I’d hope not. Performance downgrades aren’t set in the rules anywhere other than they’re eligible for it

"- Production. If a player does not produce as their overall would suggest (ex. a 90 overall player getting 30 points) they will receive a downgrade." An 87 overall sniper who has 2 goals in 24 games is 100% getting a performance downgrade. You showed me a DM yourself between you and PR where he said Schwartz will very likely be downgraded 

Yup, I think he will but probably only to an 86 based on this: Once players turn 27, they are at risk of a downgrade. Players 27-30 are not likely to be downgraded but are vulnerable based on performance.

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

If Chicago’s pick is a top 3 pick right now it’s worth more than an underperforming pending ufa unfortunately for Philly