TBL - STL

[viperousperky]

To Tampa:
C Nathan MacKinnon PLY 95 (25) 6.3M UFA 2023
LW/RW Victor Olofsson SNP 84 (25) 3.05M RFA 2022 [COL Retains 1.5M -> 2021]

To St Louis:
C Ryan O'Reilly TWF 92 (29) 7.5M UFA 2023 -> STL Retains 2.5M 2021,2022 CAP 5M
LW/RW Filip Forsberg SNP 89 (26) 6M UFA 2022 - retain 1.65 for this year.

I accept

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Tampa, are you aware MaKinnion is out until mid January with a sore foot? Just want to make sure you know that. Seems like there’s been a lot of trades with people getting injured players and not realizing it.

[Winnipeg Jets GM]

Dec 13, 2020 11:05:12 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

Tampa, are you aware MaKinnion is out until mid January with a sore foot? Just want to make sure you know that. Seems like there’s been a lot of trades with people getting injured players and not realizing it.

Fallen arches or did he kick the boards again? 😂😂😜

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

I believe that’s his 3rd foot injury this season. Maybe get some new skates

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Final pending wynne

[Winnipeg Jets GM]

Dec 13, 2020 12:24:16 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

Final pending wynne

How TF is this final? 🤨 Olofsson is NOT worth Forsberg or O'Reilly.

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

Dec 13, 2020 12:35:27 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

Dec 13, 2020 12:24:16 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

Final pending wynne

How TF is this final? 🤨 Olofsson is NOT worth Forsberg or O'Reilly.

Forsberg or Oreilly aren’t worth Mackinnon either

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Because of the age difference and OA on Mackinnon/ROR swap

[Winnipeg Jets GM]

Dec 13, 2020 12:38:39 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

Because of the age difference and OA on Mackinnon/ROR swap

It's not though... If Olofsson was an 86, then maybe. But this is crap.

[Winnipeg Jets GM]

Dec 13, 2020 12:38:37 GMT -8 Vancouver Canucks GM said:

Dec 13, 2020 12:35:27 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

How TF is this final? 🤨 Olofsson is NOT worth Forsberg or O'Reilly.

Forsberg or Oreilly aren’t worth Mackinnon either

Again... Then why are you accepting this shit? If it's not fair, then it's fair.. period. 🤷 It doesn't matter who's making the trade.

This is exactly why this whole trade mod thing doesn't work. Seasoned GMs or not... Bad trades are bad trades.

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Dec 13, 2020 12:42:46 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

Dec 13, 2020 12:38:39 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

Because of the age difference and OA on Mackinnon/ROR swap

It's not though... If Olofsson was an 86, then maybe. But this is crap.

I disagree. Mackinnon is the 3rd best player in the game. He’s only 25. It arguably should cost even more than Forsberg to close that gap. Think about the amount of production, or MPU you’d have to spend to close said gap... this is ok 

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Dec 13, 2020 12:49:08 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

Dec 13, 2020 12:38:37 GMT -8 Vancouver Canucks GM said:

Forsberg or Oreilly aren’t worth Mackinnon either

Again... Then why are you accepting this shit? If it's not fair, then it's fair.. period. 🤷 It doesn't matter who's making the trade.

This is exactly why this whole trade mod thing doesn't work. Seasoned GMs or not... Bad trades are bad trades.

Come on dude. You probably should wait for a worse one to pull this out. This isn’t bad. 

move along, this isn’t the trade you’re looking for 

[Winnipeg Jets GM]

Dec 13, 2020 12:51:00 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

Dec 13, 2020 12:42:46 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

It's not though... If Olofsson was an 86, then maybe. But this is crap.

I disagree. Mackinnon is the 3rd best player in the game. He’s only 25. It arguably should cost even more than Forsberg to close that gap. Think about the amount of production, or MPU you’d have to spend to close said gap... this is ok 

Exactly... You're contradicting yourself... 🤷 More needs to go for MacKinnon.

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Dec 13, 2020 12:57:45 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

Dec 13, 2020 12:51:00 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

I disagree. Mackinnon is the 3rd best player in the game. He’s only 25. It arguably should cost even more than Forsberg to close that gap. Think about the amount of production, or MPU you’d have to spend to close said gap... this is ok 

Exactly... You're contradicting yourself... 🤷 More needs to go for MacKinnon.

I don’t think I am. It seems like you might be. First it was bs that Olofsson wasn’t worth Forsberg. Not it’s not enough... I kinda feel like you just want to bitch about the trade process. 

So you think this should be a reject. Why again? 

[Winnipeg Jets GM]

Dec 13, 2020 12:52:57 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

Dec 13, 2020 12:49:08 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

Again... Then why are you accepting this shit? If it's not fair, then it's fair.. period. 🤷 It doesn't matter who's making the trade.

This is exactly why this whole trade mod thing doesn't work. Seasoned GMs or not... Bad trades are bad trades.

Come on dude. You probably should wait for a worse one to pull this out. This isn’t bad. 

move along, this isn’t the trade you’re looking for 

No... It actually is trade I was looking for. Cuz not only is Olofsson not enough for either ROR or Forsberg, with the age goggles on, Forsberg isn't even enough MacKinnon, when ROR is already close.

Again, players don't auto-downgrade til 35, not 27, 28 or 29. ROR's value IS 92, not some fictitious projection.

[Florida Panthers GM]

kruze what are you talking about? first you say its too much for macinnon then its not enough. after taking a bump of booger sugar its best to stay off sims for a few hours there chief

[viperousperky]

So your saying ROR isn’t worth MacKinnon. That’s true.
Your saying Olofson isn’t worth forsberg. Also true.

MacKinnon > Oreilly
Olofson < Forsberg.

Fair trade

[Winnipeg Jets GM]

Dec 13, 2020 13:11:13 GMT -8 viperousperky said:

So your saying ROR isn’t worth MacKinnon. That’s true.
Your saying Olofson isn’t worth forsberg. Also true.

MacKinnon > Oreilly
Olofson < Forsberg.

Fair trade

Once again Perky... You misunderstand... As usual. 🙄

Not a fair trade at all because the value of Mac & Olofsson far exceeds the value of ROR & Forsberg. This isn't a cut & dried 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 here.

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

No one is stating ROR has any low value. The way this trade breaks down is

Mackinnon 95 (25) for ROR 92 (29), off the bat can we agree there is left over value because not only is Mackinnon a 95, but he’s also younger. That shouldn’t be a stretch for anyone.

Let’s leave that.

Olofsson 84 (25) for Forsberg 89 (26). My point is, the difference on Mackinnon and ROR is greater than the difference between Olofsson and Forsberg. Because of the amount of production, or MPU you’d have to use to get there is MORE than what it would cost you to get Olofsson to Forsberg. This is why the team getting Mackinnon is getting a lesser value back than Forsberg.

I’m not sure how else to break it down, but that’s the way it is

[viperousperky]

Dec 13, 2020 13:16:43 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

Dec 13, 2020 13:11:13 GMT -8 viperousperky said:

So your saying ROR isn’t worth MacKinnon. That’s true.
Your saying Olofson isn’t worth forsberg. Also true.

MacKinnon > Oreilly
Olofson < Forsberg.

Fair trade

Once again Perky... You misunderstand... As usual. 🙄

Not a fair trade at all because the value of Mac & Forsberg far exceeds the value of ROR & Olofsson. This isn't a cut & dried 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 here.

I think you are misunderstanding who is getting who in this deal. Its Mac and Olofsson for ROR and Forsberg. NOT ROR and Olofson for Mac and Forsberg.

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Dec 13, 2020 13:16:43 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

Dec 13, 2020 13:11:13 GMT -8 viperousperky said:

So your saying ROR isn’t worth MacKinnon. That’s true.
Your saying Olofson isn’t worth forsberg. Also true.

MacKinnon > Oreilly
Olofson < Forsberg.

Fair trade

Once again Perky... You misunderstand... As usual. 🙄

Not a fair trade at all because the value of Mac & Forsberg far exceeds the value of ROR & Olofsson. This isn't a cut & dried 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 here.

Double check that trade again my guy. I think you looked at it wrong. It’s Mackinnon+Olofsson for ROR+Forsberg 

[Winnipeg Jets GM]

Dec 13, 2020 13:19:20 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

No one is stating ROR has any low value. The way this trade breaks down is

Mackinnon 95 (25) for ROR 92 (29), off the bat can we agree there is left over value because not only is Mackinnon a 95, but he’s also younger. That shouldn’t be a stretch for anyone.

Let’s leave that.

Olofsson 84 (25) for Forsberg 89 (26). My point is, the difference on Mackinnon and ROR is greater than the difference between Olofsson and Forsberg. Because of the amount of production, or MPU you’d have to use to get there is MORE than what it would cost you to get Olofsson to Forsberg. This is why the team getting Mackinnon is getting a lesser value back than Forsberg.

I’m not sure how else to break it down, but that’s the way it is

Yes but the value between Forsberg & Olofsson isn't even close, let alone making up for the difference between Mac vs. ROR. 🤷

[Winnipeg Jets GM]

Dec 13, 2020 13:22:20 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

Dec 13, 2020 13:16:43 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

Once again Perky... You misunderstand... As usual. 🙄

Not a fair trade at all because the value of Mac & Forsberg far exceeds the value of ROR & Olofsson. This isn't a cut & dried 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 here.

Double check that trade again my guy. I think you looked at it wrong. It’s Mackinnon+Olofsson for ROR+Forsberg 

I mixed up Forsberg & Olofsson when I typed it... Sue me. 🙄 My point is the same.

[Winnipeg Jets GM]

Like I said... If Olofsson was an 86, that's passable. The way it is, is shit.

[viperousperky]

Dec 13, 2020 13:26:52 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

Dec 13, 2020 13:22:20 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

Double check that trade again my guy. I think you looked at it wrong. It’s Mackinnon+Olofsson for ROR+Forsberg 

I mixed up Forsberg & Olofsson when I typed it... Sue me. 🙄 My point is the same.

Usually I can at least kind of understand where yur coming from. This time I just don't get it. I feel like we are saying the same thing but using it as evidence to back opposite sides of the arfument. IDK

[Winnipeg Jets GM]

Dec 13, 2020 13:31:48 GMT -8 viperousperky said:

Dec 13, 2020 13:26:52 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

I mixed up Forsberg & Olofsson when I typed it... Sue me. 🙄 My point is the same.

Usually I can at least kind of understand where yur coming from. This time I just don't get it. I feel like we are saying the same thing but using it as evidence to back opposite sides of the arfument. IDK

That very well could be, but far too much emphasis is placed on a players age. Players 23 to 34 are the same in terms of being subject to upgrades and downgrades... Just because they're 29 doesn't diminish their value, so too, just because a player is 25 doesn't increase their value. They're equal in terms of that. They're overalls determine their values, not their age.

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Dec 13, 2020 13:30:02 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

Like I said... If Olofsson was an 86, that's passable. The way it is, is shit.

I’m getting a little lost here man. 

Im going to try again. To get ROR to 95 like Mackinnon would take 16 MPU, or season production that I find incredibly unlikely, so much I’m going to say impossible. So the balance needs to be made up by TBL. So they take the hit on the Olofsson/Forsberg swap. It takes 12 MPU to make up the difference there. It’s just math at this point, but it’s a lot more likely that the production could be there to cut that at least in half. 

So if ANYTHING, it could maybe be argued that team receiving Mackinnon STILL wins, (which IRL, the team receiving the best player always wins. So that seems right)

 But again you seem to be arguing the opposite, that the team receiving Forsberg somehow wins. They don’t. 

[Ottawa Senators GM]

Dec 13, 2020 13:16:43 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

Not a fair trade at all because the value of Mac & Olofsson far exceeds the value of ROR & Forsberg. This isn't a cut & dried 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 here.

Dec 13, 2020 13:30:02 GMT -8 Winnipeg Jets GM said:

Like I said... If Olofsson was an 86, that's passable. The way it is, is shit.

This is why you're not a trade mod.

[Colorado Avalanche GM]

Can we just block Kruze from these things, you know he is going to speak and never make any sense anytime he does. Just make it easy and block him out of trades or we are going to have to put up with this on every single trade. This is just crazy man

[Ottawa Senators GM]

viperousperky who's doing that retention on Forsberg? Add the team there and this is accept/final