clauses

[Florida Panthers GM]

can we please just get rid of these fucking things already? they have no place in these leagues. discouraging trades is discouraging activity. i just had a 3 way way blockbuster squashed because one guy wouldnt waive. the guy would have went to a top team with fellow superstar countrymen but still said no. its just dumb. whats the upside? we have three upset gms now and i for one have lost interest in even trying to make deals here. its simply not fun. its hard enough to find trades so its a real piss off. the only excuse is "its the only way guys can sign for a discount" fuck that just let some dudes give a good deal just because. clauses are trash.

[Calgary Flames GM]

What was the deal?

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

No one is forcing anybody to sign clauses lol. If a trade gets blocked because someone doesn’t want to waive their clause then it’s that GMs fault for signing them to one in the first place.

If you don’t want to deal with clauses then don’t sign them, simple as.

[wynne]

Yeah, pretty simple solution, don’t offer them when you sign a guy and they will go away. I agree with you when you say they have no reason to be in sim leagues, but at the same time, if someone wants to offer it when giving out an extension or signing a UFA, that’s their dumb decision. Don’t offer them and you won’t have to worry about them.

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

I know it can be a little frustrating. But no one was forced to give that NTC. GMs offer it hoping to get a discount, and then complain when they can’t move a player. There aren’t many obstacles to moving players, just salary cap and the occasional NTC. And I’ve got messages trying to override both. I don’t get it. That’s what makes this fun, I think anyway. Trying to manage the best team possible within the constraints of the game.

There haven’t been many NTC given out in this league, but if you choose to do so, I think you should have to live with the consequences

[New York Rangers GM]

I've never been a believer in clauses. It tends to cause too much anger and disappointment. I understand the realistic part of it, but a lot of the time GMs are forced to give a clause because it's the only way to get the cap to work or PR is firm on it. Nobody is going to let their top players walk because of them wanting a clause. I think we just need to find a happy medium. Maybe every clause comes with a 5 team list or something? So at least there is some kind of way out. Nothing worse than having a player who refuses to leave when you don't want him. IRL a player would submit a list if he wasn't wanted. Just an idea. Ovi is my favorite player so knowing their is no possibly way I can get him is kind of a bummer.

As for the "challenge". Like panthers said, it's hard enough to agree on a trade so adding one more obstacle can make a guy not even bother trying to make trades. I've been there. It's easy to get discouraged...especially when having a busy real life so a guy doesn't want to waste his time negotiating just for it to get shut down after spending a bunch of time and work hammering something out.

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

We’re clauses wiped right out in this league or no? Don’t remember

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Mar 29, 2021 18:39:04 GMT -8 Vancouver Canucks GM said:

We’re clauses wiped right out in this league or no? Don’t remember

Yeah all clauses left are ones that current GMs have negotiated. 

Snaggs, I know what you’re saying. I don’t want anyone bummed or disappointed. I did say OVI would waive for NYR, if anyone, just wanted to see where WSH was at the deadline

I also don’t believe PR took a strong stance on demanding NTC. I’m pretty sure that was offered up by WSH on his own 

[Washington Capitals GM]

I have the receipts. I sent my offer, he countered with 10M x 2 years, I said 9.5, then PR offered 9.8 and a NMC. I got tired of the back and forth and caved. Second time I tried to trade Ovi and it got shut down. Mackinnon was on the table only if I included Ovechkin. Mackinnon is my fav player - figured this would be not only a fun deal for me as an Avs fan but I was also improving my sus defence. Either way, the NMC was signed whether I offered it or not and I’ve respected it throughout the entirety of the contract.

[Washington Capitals GM]

PR literally saved me 200k with the NMC I didn’t think he’d hold it over my head this much tbh

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Mar 29, 2021 21:23:08 GMT -8 Washington Capitals GM said:

PR literally saved me 200k with the NMC I didn’t think he’d hold it over my head this much tbh

That goes both ways though, you chose to save just 200K by signing him to a NMC. 

[Washington Capitals GM]

Mar 29, 2021 21:43:52 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Mar 29, 2021 21:23:08 GMT -8 Washington Capitals GM said:

PR literally saved me 200k with the NMC I didn’t think he’d hold it over my head this much tbh

That goes both ways though, you chose to save just 200K by signing him to a NMC. 

I get that, 100%. Mostly clarifying that the NTC wasn’t my idea

[New York Islanders GM]

Don't sign a clause if there is any chance you might move the player. PR wanted me to give Pulock a NMC but I refused. He made multiple counter offers with a NMC included. Your choice to sign Ovechkin to a clause, no one else's. Dont wait until last minute to sign your top players. Right when extensions are allowed, ask what your top players want and counter with no clauses, pretty simple

[San Jose Sharks GM]

From my outside perspective if guys agree on a fair deal and they are all receiving their fav players I feel that is something worth PR waving. Especially when it is a big exciting blockbuster trade that all of us want to see happen anyway.. if ovi is refusing the wave because he wants to retire a cap I guess that’s fine, but in rl if he knows he is being actively shopped he is probably willing to leave. The purpose of a nmc in my perspective is so a player like ovi who is in his final seasons and is chasing a cup doesn’t get stuck on a young team like mine. Which isn’t happening in this situation. I think there is a place for nmc’s but there is zero fun in a nmc meaning this player will never be traded.

[New York Islanders GM]

Mar 29, 2021 22:22:05 GMT -8 San Jose Sharks GM said:

From my outside perspective if guys agree on a fair deal and they are all receiving their fav players I feel that is something worth PR waving. Especially when it is a big exciting blockbuster trade that all of us want to see happen anyway.. if ovi is refusing the wave because he wants to retire a cap I guess that’s fine, but in rl if he knows he is being actively shopped he is probably willing to leave. The purpose of a nmc in my perspective is so a player like ovi who is in his final seasons and is chasing a cup doesn’t get stuck on a young team like mine. Which isn’t happening in this situation. I think there is a place for nmc’s but there is zero fun in a nmc meaning this player will never be traded.

Don't sign clauses and a team will never have this problem

[Washington Capitals GM]

Mar 29, 2021 22:21:54 GMT -8 New York Islanders GM said:

Don't sign a clause if there is any chance you might move the player. PR wanted me to give Pulock a NMC but I refused. He made multiple counter offers with a NMC included. Your choice to sign Ovechkin to a clause, no one else's. Dont wait until last minute to sign your top players. Right when extensions are allowed, ask what your top players want and counter with no clauses, pretty simple

Pretty simple, hey? Signing Ovechkin was the first thing I did when I took over the Caps. Sorry I picked up a team that had no owner and didn’t sign their players throughout the season. I’m not sour, just thought I’d defend myself when someone told the group I’m the fool who offered a NTC. Do I think Ovi should 100% waive the NTC? No, this is why I asked instead of simply posting the trade and tagging PR. I simply asked and PR said he’d wait for the deadline. I respect that. It’s realistic and I’m not complaining about it.

[Player Representative]

The reality is Ovie took a 2m+ discount to stay with WSH, and did it short term. He was a 94 that could have easily demanded to be the top paid W. He signed a discount to fit under the cap with WSH.

Guys who do that with a clause aren't going to want to be traded in the middle of said short-term deal. This was literally the first NTC that I denied, and literally said he'd consider it at the TD.


I get it sucks, but come on guys.

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Mar 29, 2021 21:22:08 GMT -8 Washington Capitals GM said:

I have the receipts. I sent my offer, he countered with 10M x 2 years, I said 9.5, then PR offered 9.8 and a NMC. I got tired of the back and forth and caved. Second time I tried to trade Ovi and it got shut down. Mackinnon was on the table only if I included Ovechkin. Mackinnon is my fav player - figured this would be not only a fun deal for me as an Avs fan but I was also improving my sus defence. Either way, the NMC was signed whether I offered it or not and I’ve respected it throughout the entirety of the contract.

My mistake man. I was really meaning, PR didn’t demand it. You took the NTC and negligible discount. 

Again, I get it’s frustrating. All I can really say is, if you don’t want to deal with them, don’t sign them