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Post by Calgary Flames GM on Dec 17, 2020 21:12:15 GMT -8
To RD Adam Boqvist OFD 80 (20) .894M RFA 2022 C Adam Gaudette TWF 80 (23) .950M RFA 2021 RW/C Troy Terry TWF 81 (22) 1,45 RFA 2023 RW Sam Colangelo TWF 73 (18) 1M RFA 2023 LW Jake Neighbours TWF 69 (18) .898M RFA 2023 C Ilya Nikolayev TWF 69 (19) VGK 2021 1st RD CGY 2022 1st RD CGY 2023 1st RD ANA 2023 1st RD CGY 2021 2nd RD CGY 2022 2nd RD ANA 2023 2nd RD To RW David Pastrnak SNP 92 (24) 6.666M UFA 2023 LW/RW Anders Bjork TWF 80 (24) 1.6M UFA 2023 Okay... I talked with trade mods on Discord about the issues with the previous trade. After seeing the Tampa trade get accepted and hearing their opinions, we've reached this deal.
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on Dec 17, 2020 21:15:01 GMT -8
Important note: the Boqvists are still reunited, just at Boston instead of Calgary.
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Dec 17, 2020 21:28:41 GMT -8
You will need atleast one quality player in all that mess or this won't get through either. I think this is the worst offer of them all. I would have accepted acouple of the other ones. Rejected
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on Dec 17, 2020 21:42:02 GMT -8
You will need atleast one quality player in all that mess or this won't get through either. I think this is the worst offer of them all. I would have accepted acouple of the other ones. Rejected Well LA, MTL, and Philly thought it was fine on Discord so we'll see
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Post by wynne on Dec 17, 2020 21:44:13 GMT -8
Rejected
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Post by cdemp on Dec 17, 2020 21:53:06 GMT -8
Boston accepts Stock piling picks and young players
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Dec 17, 2020 21:56:55 GMT -8
this needs to be moved to the Pending Trades guys
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on Dec 17, 2020 21:57:48 GMT -8
this needs to be moved to the Pending Trades guys My bad, looks like it glitched on my phone
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Post by viperousperky on Dec 17, 2020 22:03:15 GMT -8
Feel like I’m gonna get flak for getting Bergeron and rejecting this but I still reject. Pastrnak is one of the best players in the league on one of the best contracts and still just entering his prime. Flames isn’t even moving his A grade prospects. Where is Debrincat, strome, Drysdale, etc.
Of all the pieces going to Boston I think it very highly unlikely that any of them even become an 85.
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on Dec 17, 2020 22:06:40 GMT -8
This is blatant hypocrisy
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Post by cdemp on Dec 17, 2020 22:10:34 GMT -8
How would we get this deal done?
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Dec 17, 2020 22:16:33 GMT -8
add Debrincat
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Post by viperousperky on Dec 17, 2020 22:20:49 GMT -8
This is blatant hypocrisy Not true. Value difference between Bergeron and pastrnak is huge. I offered the package I gave plus laine for pastrnak. So pastrnak is worth about a laine more than Bergeron imo lol
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Post by wynne on Dec 17, 2020 22:21:22 GMT -8
How would we get this deal done? Take out the junk, like the crappy prospects, and stop trying to add mid to low level assets instead of good assets. Flames won’t like it because he’ll think we are forcing a certain trade, but something more than fair for both sides would be DeBrincat, a good prospect (Boqvist/Drysdale/Zegras), and a draft pick or two. Don’t need 10 filler pieces to make it look like it’s a good trade, make it simple and get good pieces in return. Or if you didn’t want one of the good prospects for whatever reason, do a Terry/Nylander type guy and add a couple lower tier prospects like Pelletier. Then you can add your Gaudette/Bjork swap and whatever other swaps you want.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 22:24:36 GMT -8
lol the highest your giving out for a 92 OA is an 81
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on Dec 17, 2020 22:34:50 GMT -8
How would we get this deal done? Take out the junk, like the crappy prospects, and stop trying to add mid to low level assets instead of good assets. Flames won’t like it because he’ll think we are forcing a certain trade, but something more than fair for both sides would be DeBrincat, a good prospect (Boqvist/Drysdale/Zegras), and a draft pick or two. Don’t need 10 filler pieces to make it look like it’s a good trade, make it simple and get good pieces in return. Or if you didn’t want one of the good prospects for whatever reason, do a Terry/Nylander type guy and add a couple lower tier prospects like Pelletier. Then you can add your Gaudette/Bjork swap and whatever other swaps you want. Completely incorrect, love how you assume falsely. Every trade mod that replied to my post in the Discord about this said they'd accept. Only reason I posted this is because of that. Yikes.
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on Dec 17, 2020 22:36:36 GMT -8
This is blatant hypocrisy Not true. Value difference between Bergeron and pastrnak is huge. I offered the package I gave plus laine for pastrnak. So pastrnak is worth about a laine more than Bergeron imo lol That's a farce and you know it bud. You got an over PPG veteran player 50% retained for valueless picks since you're fitting him into an already very strong roster, and you gave him underperformers and actually bad prospects. Plus Laine has been horrible this season. I pay attention bro. Laine isn't worth anything close to this. What a joke
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Post by wynne on Dec 17, 2020 22:44:22 GMT -8
Take out the junk, like the crappy prospects, and stop trying to add mid to low level assets instead of good assets. Flames won’t like it because he’ll think we are forcing a certain trade, but something more than fair for both sides would be DeBrincat, a good prospect (Boqvist/Drysdale/Zegras), and a draft pick or two. Don’t need 10 filler pieces to make it look like it’s a good trade, make it simple and get good pieces in return. Or if you didn’t want one of the good prospects for whatever reason, do a Terry/Nylander type guy and add a couple lower tier prospects like Pelletier. Then you can add your Gaudette/Bjork swap and whatever other swaps you want. Completely incorrect, love how you assume falsely. Every trade mod that replied to my post in the Discord about this said they'd accept. Only reason I posted this is because of that. Not assuming falsely, it’s what you said yesterday. No matter what type of deal, they specifically would only allow it if I added Drysdale, Zegras, etc. That's complete bs. They shouldn't get to decide what specific piece I include But now you both have asked what it would take, and multiple people have said what would be fair, so it seems like it would be pretty straight forward at this point, except you don’t want to give up fair value for Pastrnak.
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Post by Montreal Canadiens GM on Dec 17, 2020 22:45:53 GMT -8
Calgary Flames GM I'm really sorry man, but I misread it on Discord, I thought you were still giving him DeBrincat along with everything else, so I'm going to reject this one. Add DeBrincat and I'll accept. I still think Boston is absolutely insanse to want to do this, he thinks lots of assests = good deal. With DeBrincat I think the value is fair enough, when you're trading a star player for prospects 9/10 times it looks terrible for the team trading their star player and honestly most of the time it doesn't work out for the team trading the star either, but we can't just bar people from doing that - so we'll have to find the fairest value possible if they do. I still hate this trade and seriously question Boston's train of thought on this, but add Debrincat to this trade and I think it's close enough to be passed - especially with the pile of dogshit that was the Tampa-Boston trade that seems to be getting accepted.
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on Dec 17, 2020 22:47:59 GMT -8
Nah man, you don't get it lol. Boston doesn't want to win right now or the next couple years. He wants all these draft picks. He wants the young guys to grow. That Anaheim pick could very well be top 10 considering how the team has been and how they have barely any assets with which to make additional moves. You *are* trying to force a specific type of trade, stop trying to beat around the bush. Your job isn't to *want* to do the proposed trades...your job is to make sure the trades are good. The mods on Discord said it was fine, so I posted it.
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Post by wynne on Dec 17, 2020 22:52:01 GMT -8
Nah man, you don't get it lol. Boston doesn't want to win right now or the next couple years. He wants all these draft picks. He wants the young guys to grow. That Anaheim pick could very well be top 10 considering how the team has been and how they have barely any assets with which to make additional moves. You *are* trying to force a specific type of trade, stop trying to beat around the bush. Your job isn't to *want* to do the proposed trades...your job is to make sure the trades are good. The mods on Discord said it was fine, so I posted it. I absolutely get it, but just because Boston doesn’t give a shit, doesn’t mean the trade is fair, I don’t think you are getting it. Nobody is forcing any trade on anyone. He asked what it would take to go through, I gave him multiple opinions on what would be fair for both sides. He asked, I told, you just don’t like that because you’d actually have to give up top assets. This trade isn’t good, so I’m doing my job, you just aren’t a fan of it.
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on Dec 17, 2020 22:53:06 GMT -8
Nah man, you don't get it lol. Boston doesn't want to win right now or the next couple years. He wants all these draft picks. He wants the young guys to grow. That Anaheim pick could very well be top 10 considering how the team has been and how they have barely any assets with which to make additional moves. You *are* trying to force a specific type of trade, stop trying to beat around the bush. Your job isn't to *want* to do the proposed trades...your job is to make sure the trades are good. The mods on Discord said it was fine, so I posted it. I absolutely get it, but just because Boston doesn’t give a shit, doesn’t mean the trade is fair, I don’t think you are getting it. Nobody is forcing any trade on anyone. He asked what it would take to go through, I gave him multiple opinions on what would be fair for both sides. He asked, I told, you just don’t like that because you’d actually have to give up top assets. This trade isn’t good, so I’m doing my job, you just aren’t a fan of it. Stop trying to patronize me for disagreeing with you. It's very obvious what's going on here. I'm not going to bother anymore.
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Post by wynne on Dec 17, 2020 22:58:39 GMT -8
I absolutely get it, but just because Boston doesn’t give a shit, doesn’t mean the trade is fair, I don’t think you are getting it. Nobody is forcing any trade on anyone. He asked what it would take to go through, I gave him multiple opinions on what would be fair for both sides. He asked, I told, you just don’t like that because you’d actually have to give up top assets. This trade isn’t good, so I’m doing my job, you just aren’t a fan of it. Stop trying to patronize me for disagreeing with you. It's very obvious what's going on here. I'm not going to bother anymore. You’ve said that in every thread but just continue anyway. I’m not trying to patronize you, but you’re ripping Boston off and getting upset that the deal isn’t going through. Make a more simple trade with him with 3/4 good pieces going to him for Pastrnak and nobody will have a problem with it.
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Post by Montreal Canadiens GM on Dec 17, 2020 22:59:30 GMT -8
I absolutely get it, but just because Boston doesn’t give a shit, doesn’t mean the trade is fair, I don’t think you are getting it. Nobody is forcing any trade on anyone. He asked what it would take to go through, I gave him multiple opinions on what would be fair for both sides. He asked, I told, you just don’t like that because you’d actually have to give up top assets. This trade isn’t good, so I’m doing my job, you just aren’t a fan of it. Stop trying to patronize me for disagreeing with you. It's very obvious what's going on here. I'm not going to bother anymore. You haven't really responded to what we've suggested 100%. Last trade you added Terry, but you just flipped him for Boqvist so it was a complete wash anyways. This trade you add Boqvist, but you take out the most valuable piece going Bostons way in DeBrincat. You haven't trimmed the fat in the slightest. When we tell you what we think is fair, it doesn't mean you take that in but do something else to to the trade to completely make it moot. Take out Colangelo Neighbours and Nikolayev, add DeBrincat, and I think you've got yourself a good enough trade that I'd accept it.
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Dec 17, 2020 23:03:37 GMT -8
Take out Neighbours and Nikolayev, add DeBrincat, and I'd accept it
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Post by Vegas Golden Knights GM on Dec 18, 2020 2:40:38 GMT -8
What you’re failing to understand is that Bergeron and Pastrnak have different values. Bergeron is coming close to the end of his career while Pastrnak is just entering is prime so yeah despite them both being 92s we’re gonna treat them differently.
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Dec 18, 2020 7:31:29 GMT -8
What you’re failing to understand is that Bergeron and Pastrnak have different values. Bergeron is coming close to the end of his career while Pastrnak is just entering is prime so yeah despite them both being 92s we’re gonna treat them differently. That’s a load of shit Bergeron at 92 for 50% plus next year at what a 89/90 6.whatever ya know flames is right. Shouldn’t be treating them differently they both should be getting Boston really good packages to build around if that’s what he wants
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Post by Vegas Golden Knights GM on Dec 18, 2020 8:04:35 GMT -8
Okay and you get Bergeron in top shape for what? 2-3 years? 4 max? Pastrnak at top shape for a decade? More? Which has more value?
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Post by Philadelphia Flyers GM on Dec 18, 2020 9:12:21 GMT -8
Looks like rejected/final
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Dec 18, 2020 10:40:21 GMT -8
Okay and you get Bergeron in top shape for what? 2-3 years? 4 max? Pastrnak at top shape for a decade? More? Which has more value? So Tampa gets a solid player for 2-3 years for cheap? Or he sells him off in the off-season for more? What’s your point? Be different if Betgeron was going to retire after this year
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