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Post by wynne on Dec 19, 2020 8:53:24 GMT -8
Don’t agree with that either. Cook wanted O’Reilly and Vasilevsky, neither of which I really wanted to trade. He gave up more than people might think is fair, but that’s the price to get a top 2 goalie in the league. Complete opposite of what Calgary was doing to Boston, he wasn’t giving up enough to get a top piece. So cuz cook wanted it it’s fine? How hypocritical. If you want 2 teams talk to an admin or else let the other gms in the league run their own teams. Like I said I think the trade is close enough to be fair anyway. Might be a little bit of an overpayment but it happens Never said it should go through because Cook wants to do the trade, nice try twisting it though. Merely pointed out that those were the 2 guys he was really after. |
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Post by Philadelphia Flyers GM on Dec 19, 2020 8:55:00 GMT -8
Greg doesn’t think other people should have any opinions and all trades should go through without a hitch. Getting warmer? Greg thinks you’re ruining the league. Cuz I’ve had a few guys now message me on discord about how ridiculous the mods are. And I guess you can’t read whatsoever. I don’t think every trade should go through. Obviously lopsided ones shouldn’t but this one is close enough and if you don’t see that you shouldn’t be a mod. So stop ruining the league and let gms have fun with trades Grabner for Bowen - this would never go through. Ever. Don’t bash people for their opinion. |
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Dec 19, 2020 9:04:45 GMT -8
Greg thinks you’re ruining the league. Cuz I’ve had a few guys now message me on discord about how ridiculous the mods are. And I guess you can’t read whatsoever. I don’t think every trade should go through. Obviously lopsided ones shouldn’t but this one is close enough and if you don’t see that you shouldn’t be a mod. So stop ruining the league and let gms have fun with trades Grabner for Bowen - this would never go through. Ever. Don’t bash people for their opinion. Or you could look at the whole trade and not 2 parts. Like I said pay attention or don’t be a mod. Blues and Avs 2 vets in the league and want this. Trades not even that lopsided is it the best trade for Avs? On paper he’s giving the most up. But whatever that’s what he wants and sometimes you have to pay a bit more to get what you want. And If you want another team ask an admin and maybe they will let you have 2 teams if 1 team comes available. |
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Dec 19, 2020 9:19:00 GMT -8
It’s great that you’re getting messages on Discord about the mods sucking and not letting trades through. I get a bunch of messages on HERE about the mods not doing their jobs and letting too many BS trades through. So I don’t think it’s as cut and dry about GMs just being able to make trades.
The problem I had with this system at Hockleague was consistency. It’s not an issue if it’s consistent. This trade isn’t fair, no matter how many times you want to say it is. And no it’s not really that close either.
Toews/Grabner/2nd RD for Markstrom/Byram. Are you guys drunk? You all shit on the Bergeron trade, and CGYs, but then pull this? That’s where the complaints come from. Consistency. I’m trying to bring that. I think this trade is terrible. I get overpaying for what you want, I do it all the time. This is too much IN MY OPINION
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Dec 19, 2020 9:28:59 GMT -8
It’s great that you’re getting messages on Discord about the mods sucking and not letting trades through. I get a bunch of messages on HERE about the mods not doing their jobs and letting too many BS trades through. So I don’t think it’s as cut and dry about GMs just being able to make trades. The problem I had with this system at Hockleague was consistency. It’s not an issue if it’s consistent. This trade isn’t fair, no matter how many times you want to say it is. And no it’s not really that close either. Toews/Grabner/2nd RD for Markstrom/Byram. Are you guys drunk? You all shit on the Bergeron trade, and CGYs, but then pull this? That’s where the complaints come from. Consistency. I’m trying to bring that. I think this trade is terrible. I get overpaying for what you want, I do it all the time. This is too much IN MY OPINION How about this Toews Grabner 2nd for Marky (Fairish) Oreilly Vasi for Stone Duchene Avs wins a bit with age and he decides to throw in Byram to make the deal to make up for age and Vasi being one of the top rated long term goalies. Now it’s not so bad is it? Is it a bit of an overpayment on cooks part ya sure but not that much. Technically 5 mods have accepted this even though only 3 count. Let gms run their own damn teams cuz it’s already hard enough to make a trade. Stop ruining all the fun by nitpicking every trade. Being a mod means looking at it from different angles not just from one side |
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Post by wynne on Dec 19, 2020 9:32:25 GMT -8
It’s great that you’re getting messages on Discord about the mods sucking and not letting trades through. I get a bunch of messages on HERE about the mods not doing their jobs and letting too many BS trades through. So I don’t think it’s as cut and dry about GMs just being able to make trades. The problem I had with this system at Hockleague was consistency. It’s not an issue if it’s consistent. This trade isn’t fair, no matter how many times you want to say it is. And no it’s not really that close either. Toews/Grabner/2nd RD for Markstrom/Byram. Are you guys drunk? You all shit on the Bergeron trade, and CGYs, but then pull this? That’s where the complaints come from. Consistency. I’m trying to bring that. I think this trade is terrible. I get overpaying for what you want, I do it all the time. This is too much IN MY OPINION Different views of the trade. I see it as O’Reilly for Stone, slight favourite to O’Reilly for being 2M cheaper. Vasilevsky, Toews, Grabner and a 2nd for Duchene, Markstrom and Byram. Vasilevsky is easily the best piece out of any of them, and the 2nd best goalie in the game if I’m not mistaken. I’m not saying it’s even for both sides, it’s not, I get the better half of the deal IMO, which is why I do this trade and any other trade I do. But I also believe I’m giving up the best 2 pieces. There’s no consistency with trades here. I traded MacKinnon and Olofsson for O’Reilly and Forsberg. I didn’t think that would go through either, it probably shouldn’t have, that was a ton for basically just MacKinnon, but it was offered to me and made my team better so I did it. I don’t have a problem with any team, new guys included, trading a lot to acquire a top end piece or player. It’s when one team isn’t giving up nearly enough to get a top piece. It should cost a lot to get top players, and the trade probably shouldn’t ever be even, you should be paying a premium on stars. If enough mods don’t think this is a fair trade, that’s fine, me and Colorado will figure something out, we just want a decision. |
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Dec 19, 2020 9:33:31 GMT -8
Not to mention 2 gms who’ve been in these leagues forever. Not like cook is going to just trade his whole team for crap and disappear. He loves being in these leagues but that’s beyond the point. Stop micromanaging gms and run your own teams. Mods are here to stop the ridiculous trades that newbs make not stop guys from having fun and running their own teams from their own vision
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Dec 19, 2020 9:38:21 GMT -8
Honestly man, I’m the guy that wants every GM to be able to make their own moves, and just have a trade waiting period for new guys. But I’ve been told by numerous people that won’t work, and I just don’t know because I haven’t been around. So it’s not really me. This is the system we have at the moment, I don’t think it’s a fair trade. I also think it’s lame for you to use the fact they’ve been around forever. That’s why people are getting pissed about the trade mods.
“Oh this guys been around, let’s throw out all the discussions about value, and how this noob is an idiot, because cook has been around”
It can’t fucking be like this. Period. Either we’re doing the mod thing, and everybody has to be accountable evenly, or we’re scrapping the whole thing. I’m annoyed. I hate being in the position of having to reject stuff, and I also don’t like people whining to me about trades that get through.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs GM on Dec 19, 2020 9:38:45 GMT -8
To avoid all this:
- If you've been on this website for over a month, any trade automatically goes through
- Any new GM (1 month or less) making a trade has their trades reviewed by trade mods. These are the only ones being reviewed. However, they automatically go through because of stipulation C;
- Should a team be clearly getting a sweetheart deal, then if the opposing GM quits within a week or two, you forfeit your pick or a top 5 player off your team. For example, should TOR/VAN make a trade, and I get a deal that people think is unfair and VAN quits next week, I forfeit my 1st or someone like Rielly. I think the grace period should be 21 days.
No more micromanaging. The onus is on GM's to find trades that are somewhat fair with a penalty in place if you know you're ripping off the new guy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 10:13:33 GMT -8
Accept because mods are here to prevent new people from being taken advantage of, and not to control trades of people who have been here forever.
I think that’s final
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Dec 19, 2020 10:15:13 GMT -8
Honestly I thought snagg told everyone at the beginning we were just basically letting every trade through unless it was ridiculous then everyone started going crazy and rejecting everything so idk. Personally I like what Carolina Hurricanes GM just said and what leafs said but that’s up to the admins. Seems like everyone here isn’t going to screw the league and only guys I feel need managing are Oilers no offense and stars since he’s just quiet lol |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Dec 19, 2020 10:20:19 GMT -8
well that is 4 or 5 accepts but I don't know if that means it is accepted or not lol can somebody please say so lol
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Dec 19, 2020 10:23:02 GMT -8
Honestly I thought snagg told everyone at the beginning we were just basically letting every trade through unless it was ridiculous then everyone started going crazy and rejecting everything so idk. Personally I like what Carolina Hurricanes GM just said and what leafs said but that’s up to the admins. Seems like everyone here isn’t going to screw the league and only guys I feel need managing are Oilers no offense and stars since he’s just quiet lol Well I never got that memo. Anyone who remembers me from the last league knows I’m not the guy. I feel GMs should be able to manage their teams as they see fit, and if they just suck at it, so be it. But that’s me. I really defer to the admins more experienced in running these things when it comes to decisions like these. But I really like Leafs idea. |
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Dec 19, 2020 10:23:15 GMT -8
Final
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Dec 19, 2020 10:29:55 GMT -8
Honestly I thought snagg told everyone at the beginning we were just basically letting every trade through unless it was ridiculous then everyone started going crazy and rejecting everything so idk. Personally I like what Carolina Hurricanes GM just said and what leafs said but that’s up to the admins. Seems like everyone here isn’t going to screw the league and only guys I feel need managing are Oilers no offense and stars since he’s just quiet lol Well I never got that memo. Anyone who remembers me from the last league knows I’m not the guy. I feel GMs should be able to manage their teams as they see fit, and if they just suck at it, so be it. But that’s me. I really defer to the admins more experienced in running these things when it comes to decisions like these. But I really like Leafs idea. Man you Cranker and Snag are the top dogs here lol. So whatever you guys want we get lol. |
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Dec 19, 2020 11:42:38 GMT -8
Accept because mods are here to prevent new people from being taken advantage of, and not to control trades of people who have been here forever. I think that’s final This right here needs to be bolded, italiced (is that a word), font size 500 and framed. |
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Post by Philadelphia Flyers GM on Dec 19, 2020 12:51:48 GMT -8
Accept because mods are here to prevent new people from being taken advantage of, and not to control trades of people who have been here forever. I think that’s final This right here needs to be bolded, italiced (is that a word), font size 500 and framed. Then don’t have mods for experienced GM’s making trades. Period |
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