VGK/EDM

[Vegas Golden Knights GM]

To
RW Vladimir Tarasenko SNP 90 (28) 7.5M UFA 2023 - STL-2M retained for 21&22 CAP 5.5M
LW/RW Michael Raffl TWF 80 (31) 1.6M UFA 2021

To
LW Max Pacioretty SNP 88 (31) 7M UFA 2023
LW/C Tyson Jost TWF 81 (22) .874M RFA 2021 ext 1.50M RFA 2023

Wanna see if we can reunite the chemistry Senko and Marchand were having.

Accepts

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

This trade is fair but I mean it’s stupid by Oilers

[Deleted]

Reject. Horrendous trade for EDM.
Wasn’t getting Draisaitl enough?

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

Auto reject all Edmonton deals until he explains why. He’s just trolling at this point

[Vegas Golden Knights GM]

You guys do realize that there’s a 7 point difference between Senko and Patches right now? And that’s with Senko playing first line minutes and Patches playing on the second line.

Outside of name value I don’t get what’s terrible about it. He loses some overalls but gets a young roster player in Jost out of it. Plus it’s not like Patches has been bad, he’s above a point per game right now.

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

Dec 27, 2020 19:58:46 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

You guys do realize that there’s a 7 point difference between Senko and Patches right now? And that’s with Senko playing first line minutes and Patches playing on the second line.

Outside of name value I don’t get what’s terrible about it. He loses some overalls but gets a young roster player in Jost out of it. Plus it’s not like Patches has been bad, he’s above a point per game right now.

Yeah it’s fine overall but Edmonton is just trading just because. Need some explanation here. He hasn’t even seen Senko in his lineup yet

[thehockeyist]

Accept.

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

Dec 27, 2020 20:07:17 GMT -8 thehockeyist said:

Accept.

Lol usually when 2 mods say you’re trolling you would think the guy would acknowledge it if he wasn’t....

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 27, 2020 19:58:46 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

You guys do realize that there’s a 7 point difference between Senko and Patches right now? And that’s with Senko playing first line minutes and Patches playing on the second line.

Outside of name value I don’t get what’s terrible about it. He loses some overalls but gets a young roster player in Jost out of it. Plus it’s not like Patches has been bad, he’s above a point per game right now.

Lmao name argument is the exact same one you used in the Draisaitl trade, it's getting old. Edmonton downgrades on his top line and takes on cap. Buffalo's right, I think stealing Draisaitl was enough for you.

[Vegas Golden Knights GM]

Dec 27, 2020 20:12:35 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Dec 27, 2020 19:58:46 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

You guys do realize that there’s a 7 point difference between Senko and Patches right now? And that’s with Senko playing first line minutes and Patches playing on the second line.

Outside of name value I don’t get what’s terrible about it. He loses some overalls but gets a young roster player in Jost out of it. Plus it’s not like Patches has been bad, he’s above a point per game right now.

Lmao name argument is the exact same one you used in the Draisaitl trade, it's getting old. Edmonton downgrades on his top line and takes on cap. Buffalo's right, I think stealing Draisaitl was enough for you.

Again you’re saying this as if there’s a huge difference between Senko and Patches. There’s a 7 point difference and Oilers gets Jost for that 7 point difference and cap difference.

[thehockeyist]

Literal reason why I accepted this trade: "I mean, why not? If it works, it works."

We'll work on the details later.

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 27, 2020 20:15:02 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

Dec 27, 2020 20:12:35 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Lmao name argument is the exact same one you used in the Draisaitl trade, it's getting old. Edmonton downgrades on his top line and takes on cap. Buffalo's right, I think stealing Draisaitl was enough for you.

Again you’re saying this as if there’s a huge difference between Senko and Patches. There’s a 7 point difference and Oilers gets Jost for that 7 point difference and cap difference.

Alright, explain to me why the hell Edmonton would do this. He's trading a 90 overall being paid 5.5 Million for 2 years and will be 31 by the time his contract is up for an 88 overall being paid 7 million for the next 3 years who will be 34 when his contract is up. Don't act like Jost is some big piece either, he'll be a bottom 6 forward for his entire career. You sure do like taking advantage of people, don't you?

[Philadelphia Flyers GM]

Dec 27, 2020 20:16:22 GMT -8 thehockeyist said:

Literal reason why I accepted this trade: "I mean, why not? If it works, it works."

We'll work on the details later.

Reject

[Vegas Golden Knights GM]

Dec 27, 2020 20:20:16 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Dec 27, 2020 20:15:02 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

Again you’re saying this as if there’s a huge difference between Senko and Patches. There’s a 7 point difference and Oilers gets Jost for that 7 point difference and cap difference.

Alright, explain to me why the hell Edmonton would do this. He's trading a 90 overall being paid 5.5 Million for 2 years and will be 31 by the time his contract is up for an 88 overall being paid 7 million for the next 3 years who will be 34 when his contract is up. Don't act like Jost is some big piece either, he'll be a bottom 6 forward for his entire career. You sure do like taking advantage of people, don't you?

I mean I definitely don’t have that same valuation for Jost. He’s 22 and in the lineup. Takes one good season or upgrade for him to be a middle 6 or top 6 guy. Raffl is a toss in to make the cap work. So yeah, I think the difference between Senko and Patches is definitely made up for by having Jost included.

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 27, 2020 20:16:22 GMT -8 thehockeyist said:

Literal reason why I accepted this trade: "I mean, why not? If it works, it works."

We'll work on the details later.

With the reputation you've built up for yourself, you're going to need a better reason then "Why not?" when making a blockbuster trade.

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 27, 2020 20:28:38 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

Dec 27, 2020 20:20:16 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Alright, explain to me why the hell Edmonton would do this. He's trading a 90 overall being paid 5.5 Million for 2 years and will be 31 by the time his contract is up for an 88 overall being paid 7 million for the next 3 years who will be 34 when his contract is up. Don't act like Jost is some big piece either, he'll be a bottom 6 forward for his entire career. You sure do like taking advantage of people, don't you?

I mean I definitely don’t have that same valuation for Jost. He’s 22 and in the lineup. Takes one good season or upgrade for him to be a middle 6 or top 6 guy. Raffl is a toss in to make the cap work. So yeah, I think the difference between Senko and Patches is definitely made up for by having Jost included.

If you think Jost is going to upgrade to a Top 6 F this offseason you're insane. He's got 14 points and is a -16 in 64 games.

[Vegas Golden Knights GM]

Dec 27, 2020 20:34:06 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Dec 27, 2020 20:28:38 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

I mean I definitely don’t have that same valuation for Jost. He’s 22 and in the lineup. Takes one good season or upgrade for him to be a middle 6 or top 6 guy. Raffl is a toss in to make the cap work. So yeah, I think the difference between Senko and Patches is definitely made up for by having Jost included.

If you think Jost is going to upgrade to a Top 6 F this offseason you're insane. He's got 14 points and is a -16 in 64 games.

I said he needs one good season or an upgrade (MPUs).

If y’all want to reject this then reject it lol. Patches has done well for me, I just wanted to see if I could get Marchand and Senko back together and felt like this was a fair offer. If it was Cook accepting this deal I can bet nobody would be making the huff that y’all are making now.

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 27, 2020 20:39:18 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

Dec 27, 2020 20:34:06 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

If you think Jost is going to upgrade to a Top 6 F this offseason you're insane. He's got 14 points and is a -16 in 64 games.

I said he needs one good season or an upgrade (MPUs).

If y’all want to reject this then reject it lol. Patches has done well for me, I just wanted to see if I could get Marchand and Senko back together and felt like this was a fair offer. If it was Cook accepting this deal I can bet nobody would be making the huff that y’all are making now.

You're right, we probably wouldn't - because we trust Cook to do what's best for his team and actually negotiate. With Edmonton it looks more like you're just taking advantage of him, especially with both your histories and Edmonton's reasoning being "Why not?"

[Vegas Golden Knights GM]

Dec 27, 2020 20:41:24 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

Dec 27, 2020 20:39:18 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

I said he needs one good season or an upgrade (MPUs).

If y’all want to reject this then reject it lol. Patches has done well for me, I just wanted to see if I could get Marchand and Senko back together and felt like this was a fair offer. If it was Cook accepting this deal I can bet nobody would be making the huff that y’all are making now.

You're right, we probably wouldn't - because we trust Cook to do what's best for his team and actually negotiate. With Edmonton it looks more like you're just taking advantage of him, especially with both your histories and Edmonton's reasoning being "Why not?"

My history of what? I offered him the Lehner deal when he had no goalies and two stud centres. How was I supposed to know he would move McDavid as well.

This is legit what happened. I got Marchand from Avs, went to his stats to see how he was doing, saw his stats were great and saw Senko 2nd on the team in scoring, was gonna offer this exact package to Avs but realized Senko was moved to Oilers so I offered it to Oilers, he said sure and here we are.

[Montreal Canadiens GM]

Dec 27, 2020 20:46:04 GMT -8 Vegas Golden Knights GM said:

Dec 27, 2020 20:41:24 GMT -8 Montreal Canadiens GM said:

You're right, we probably wouldn't - because we trust Cook to do what's best for his team and actually negotiate. With Edmonton it looks more like you're just taking advantage of him, especially with both your histories and Edmonton's reasoning being "Why not?"

My history of what? I offered him the Lehner deal when he had no goalies and two stud centres. How was I supposed to know he would move McDavid as well.

This is legit what happened. I got Marchand from Avs, went to his stats to see how he was doing, saw his stats were great and saw Senko 2nd on the team in scoring, was gonna offer this exact package to Avs but realized Senko was moved to Oilers so I offered it to Oilers, he said sure and here we are.

I'll take your word for it that you're not trying to pull a fast one, still doesn't mean that it's not a shit trade and that a bigger microscope will be put under it for the sole fact that Edmonton is involved. We could talk about the Draisaitl and Kaprizov trades all day, you know very well I'm not the only one who thinks those were huge piles of shit - but there's no point in arguing about it now, it's over and done with. 

[wynne]

Was waiting to see who would be the first to try and take advantage of EDM after that trade with Colorado. Not surprised it was Vegas. He just traded the potential 1st overall pick for Tarasenko, and just like I said in the other thread, he’s going to end up downgrading on Tarasenko very soon, and sure enough, here we are.

Edmonton obviously needs help with trades, and I sure hope mods will take this into account with all of his trades going forward.

Easy reject for me. Maybe stupid, but I don’t think any trades involving EDM should be going through without him getting the better end of the deal, regardless of if they are “fair” or not, it’s the only way to keep the roster from being destroyed again.

[Vegas Golden Knights GM]

Again, y’all can reject this trade, I have no issues with it. I’m perfectly fine with how Patches has been playing. I just wanted to see if I could get Senko and Marchand to have the same chemistry in Vegas as they did in Colorado.

Y’all are acting as if Patches is nothing when he has 7 less points than Senko playing on the 2nd line lol.

[Colorado Avalanche GM]

reject, I gave you acouple great players that will help you like crazy and now your just going to dump them for less

[Vegas Golden Knights GM]

Reject/final