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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on May 19, 2021 5:58:46 GMT -8
 Gets LW Matthew Boldy TWF 84 (22) 1.500 M RFA 2024 RW/LW Vladislav Firstov PWF 86 (22) 0.825M RFA 2024 RD Jared Spurgeon TWD 88 (33) 7.575M UFA 2027 RD Calen Addison OFD 86 (23) 0.795M RFA 2023 C/LW Joel Eriksson Ek TWF 81 (26) 1.000M RFA 2023  Gets RD MacKenzie Weegar TWD 84 (29) 3.5M UFA 2026 C Adam Henrique TWF 88 (33) 5.825M UFA 2024 LW/C Dylan Holloway TWF 85 (21) 5.5M RFA 2027 LW Fabian Lysell SNP 82 (20) 2.5M RFA 2024 LD Jake Sanderson TWD 84 (21) 4.0M RFA 2027 8th Overall Pick accepted |
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on May 19, 2021 6:44:06 GMT -8
This is a hard no for me because of the value of the pieces Minny is moving. I don't think Minny realizes how amazing Fristov and Boldy have been... This is a complete fleece for Colorado in terms of player performance. That 8th overall doesn't change anything for me. Come on man
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on May 19, 2021 6:49:23 GMT -8
Firstov had 34 goals as an 83 on a bottom 5 team. Now that he's an 86, he could definitely be a 40 goal scorer. This alone is worth more than the pieces Colorado is sending, in my opinion.
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on May 19, 2021 7:53:29 GMT -8
Firstov had 34 goals as an 83 on a bottom 5 team. Now that he's an 86, he could definitely be a 40 goal scorer. This alone is worth more than the pieces Colorado is sending, in my opinion. Remember Kaprizov did the same then Joubran traded him now he’s like a 40 point guy lol |
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on May 19, 2021 7:57:14 GMT -8
Firstov had 34 goals as an 83 on a bottom 5 team. Now that he's an 86, he could definitely be a 40 goal scorer. This alone is worth more than the pieces Colorado is sending, in my opinion. Remember Kaprizov did the same then Joubran traded him now he’s like a 40 point guy lol Kaprizov got traded to a team with Crosby, Draisaitl, and Kane, which inflated his points. Firstov scored 34 goals on a bottom 5 team that was otherwise very low-scoring. There's a difference |
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on May 19, 2021 8:12:15 GMT -8
This is kind of a tough one. OAs and ages match up. But Minny is losing guys that have done really well on a bad team. CGY definitely has a point. And Kaprizov still gets 30-35 goals 3 teams later. I’m sure Minny still wishes he had him. As long as he’s looked at the stats and realizes what he’s trading I guess
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on May 19, 2021 8:35:27 GMT -8
This is kind of a tough one. OAs and ages match up. But Minny is losing guys that have done really well on a bad team. CGY definitely has a point. And Kaprizov still gets 30-35 goals 3 teams later. I’m sure Minny still wishes he had him. As long as he’s looked at the stats and realizes what he’s trading I guess He had 23 goals last year....... |
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on May 19, 2021 8:38:54 GMT -8
This is kind of a tough one. OAs and ages match up. But Minny is losing guys that have done really well on a bad team. CGY definitely has a point. And Kaprizov still gets 30-35 goals 3 teams later. I’m sure Minny still wishes he had him. As long as he’s looked at the stats and realizes what he’s trading I guess He had 23 goals last year....... So Firstov, an 83 on a bad team, had 11 more goals than an 88 overall sniper on what should have been a good team (looking at how Carolina performed the last couple months of the season). Yeah, my point stands lol |
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on May 19, 2021 8:39:16 GMT -8
He had 23 goals last year....... Shhhhh... I’m trying to work a deal! Don’t bring attention! In all seriousness I thought he had 29. Whoops |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on May 19, 2021 8:54:10 GMT -8
This is a hard no for me because of the value of the pieces Minny is moving. I don't think Minny realizes how amazing Fristov and Boldy have been... This is a complete fleece for Colorado in terms of player performance. That 8th overall doesn't change anything for me. Come on man Complete fleece lol. Give your head a shake. Holloway had 29 goals on the 2nd line and 2nd line PP and playing for a team that can't score at all. Lysell will be a stud given a chance!!! |
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on May 19, 2021 9:00:45 GMT -8
He had 23 goals last year....... So Firstov, an 83 on a bad team, had 11 more goals than an 88 overall sniper on what should have been a good team (looking at how Carolina performed the last couple months of the season). Yeah, my point stands lol I think you’re missing my point lol. Sometimes it’s just about who and where the player plays. Look at Quinn Hughes off my team guy was a bum bet if I traded him he’d get 50 points on a different team and I’ve got a fairly good team |
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on May 19, 2021 9:11:44 GMT -8
This is a hard no for me because of the value of the pieces Minny is moving. I don't think Minny realizes how amazing Fristov and Boldy have been... This is a complete fleece for Colorado in terms of player performance. That 8th overall doesn't change anything for me. Come on man Complete fleece lol. Give your head a shake. Holloway had 29 goals on the 2nd line and 2nd line PP and playing for a team that can't score at all. Lysell will be a stud given a chance!!! Buddy, you made playoffs. Minnesota didn't. Firstov was an 83 with 34 goals, plus he's giving up other pieces like Boldy, who iirc was his second best player also as an 83. Addison is a solid young piece too. This is absolutely a fleece |
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Post by New York Islanders GM on May 19, 2021 9:12:04 GMT -8
So Firstov, an 83 on a bad team, had 11 more goals than an 88 overall sniper on what should have been a good team (looking at how Carolina performed the last couple months of the season). Yeah, my point stands lol I think you’re missing my point lol. Sometimes it’s just about who and where the player plays. Look at Quinn Hughes off my team guy was a bum bet if I traded him he’d get 50 points on a different team and I’ve got a fairly good teamJim Benning also thinks he has a good team |
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on May 19, 2021 9:13:52 GMT -8
This is a hard no for me because of the value of the pieces Minny is moving. I don't think Minny realizes how amazing Fristov and Boldy have been... This is a complete fleece for Colorado in terms of player performance. That 8th overall doesn't change anything for me. Come on man Complete fleece lol. Give your head a shake. Holloway had 29 goals on the 2nd line and 2nd line PP and playing for a team that can't score at all. Lysell will be a stud given a chance!!! You've been BEGGING people to take Henrique for the past two seasons... And as soon as you saw your upgrades, you immediately started trying to ship off your excess youngsters. You're taking advantage of Minnesota here. Yeah he's a vet but he's new to this league. We all had trades vetoed when this league started out while we were adjusting to the differences. This trade is just bad |
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Post by New York Islanders GM on May 19, 2021 9:24:11 GMT -8
You can't reject this trade based on a player who simmed well on one team and may or may not sim well on another. I personally would rather have Boldy/Addison/Firstov but not sure if there is enough to reject and they are also free to run their teams any way they want to. If you don't look at the previous season sims and the trade is fairly even depending on how you value the draft pick.
Also, COL simmed like shit last season, so the players he's trading away may do better away from his team. You can never really be sure if they will continue to sim the same year to year.
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on May 19, 2021 9:39:44 GMT -8
You can't reject this trade based on a player who simmed well on one team and may or may not sim well on another. I personally would rather have Boldy/Addison/Firstov but not sure if there is enough to reject and they are also free to run their teams any way they want to. If you don't look at the previous season sims and the trade is fairly even depending on how you value the draft pick. Also, COL simmed like shit last season, so the players he's trading away may do better away from his team. You can never really be sure if they will continue to sim the same year to year. What the hell are you talking about? That's not my point at all lmfao. Let's do the math bro: Firstov, 83 overall PWF on a bottom 5 team: 34 goals, 54 points Holloway, 85 overall TWF on a playoff team: 29 goals, 54 points You're really gonna use the excuse that Colorado simmed poorly when they made playoffs and Minnesota was a bottom 5 team? Minnesota simmed far worse. Holloway wasn't the top scorer for Colorado, but Firstov was the top scorer for Minnesota. Firstov had more goals when 2 overall less than Holloway, and now he got a +3 and is one overall higher. This isn't even including Boldy or Addison in the argument. Sanderson for Addison is fair. Henrique for Spurgeon is fair. But Boldy and Firstov are far more valuable the any of the other pieces involved, at least Firstov is. This is just an overloaded deal trying to hide the fact that it's Colorado taking advantage of Minnesota, and idk how this isn't more apparent to you |
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Post by New York Rangers GM on May 19, 2021 9:44:00 GMT -8
This trade is completely fair. Let guys make deals. Stats mean something but they will be different with upgrades, different linemates, ect...its impossible to predict and that's not even taking into consideration the defensive aspect. We can't reject a deal like this. It's not fair saying no to it.
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Post by Calgary Flames GM on May 19, 2021 9:46:08 GMT -8
This trade is completely fair. Let guys make deals. Stats mean something but they will be different with upgrades, different linemates, ect...its impossible to predict and that's not even taking into consideration the defensive aspect. We can't reject a deal like this. It's not fair saying no to it. I'd agree if Minnesota didn't join the league a day ago... Every damn Minnesota gm we've had has left right after joining. There's been numerous instances of them joining, getting fleeced, then leaving right after. I just don't want to see it again. I know this Minny is a vet and runs HLS, but that league is very different to this one and I want to make sure he knows these differences so that we don't have a repeat situation with Minnesota for the fourth or fifth time |
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on May 19, 2021 9:59:19 GMT -8
My intention was to swap Spurgeon for Henrique, then flip Henrique w/50% retained to a team that wants a 88 2nd/3rd line C. Weegar has no room in my lineup but COL wanted him gone so figured I could flip him cheap for a younger piece. To be real, have no idea how the upgrade/downgrade system here works but I didnt know Firstov was so valuable after how he performed this season. Also, didn't know 18-19yo don't grow as much here so the 8th isn't as valuable as I initial thought, which makes me think this is one sided. Plan was to put Lysell on 2nd line, but seeing some comments here and some of the PMs you guys sent me makes me think Lysell could be stagnated with his development which makes him less valuable. Colorado Avalanche GM, can we do this deal without Weegar & Firstov involved? |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on May 19, 2021 10:04:24 GMT -8
My intention was to swap Spurgeon for Henrique, then flip Henrique w/50% retained to a team that wants a 88 2nd/3rd line C. Weegar has no room in my lineup but COL wanted him gone so figured I could flip him cheap for a younger piece. To be real, have no idea how the upgrade/downgrade system here works but I didnt know Firstov was so valuable after how he performed this season. Also, didn't know 18-19yo don't grow as much here so the 8th isn't as valuable as I initial thought, which makes me think this is one sided. Plan was to put Lysell on 2nd line, but seeing some comments here and some of the PMs you guys sent me makes me think Lysell could be stagnated with his development which makes him less valuable. Colorado Avalanche GM , can we do this deal without Weegar & Firstov involved? without Firstov in it Holloway is out also then. But if you want to redo this somehow send me a message and we can try and do things from that |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on May 19, 2021 10:07:06 GMT -8
just reject this thing, you don't want anybody your getting now after receiving multiple messages from others. Good Luck trading all the players they have labeled as superstars now. lol
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on May 19, 2021 10:10:21 GMT -8
just reject this thing, you don't want anybody your getting now after receiving multiple messages from others. Good Luck trading all the players they have labeled as superstars now. lol Don't have to be sour, you can just work out something with me if you really want Boldy/Spurgeon. I'd still like to make it happen so if you want to keep Holloway, by all means we can switch him out for Peterka/Lundell cause I don't want Firstov to move now. I am not going to make this one sided though so I win, want us both to get a deal done that makes us both happy. Will send you PM now. |
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Post by Minnesota Wild GM on May 19, 2021 10:13:20 GMT -8
Reject/Final
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on May 19, 2021 10:13:22 GMT -8
just reject this thing, you don't want anybody your getting now after receiving multiple messages from others. Good Luck trading all the players they have labeled as superstars now. lol Don't have to be sour, you can just work out something with me if you really want Boldy/Spurgeon. I'd still like to make it happen so if you want to keep Holloway, by all means we can switch him out for Peterka/Lundell cause I don't want Firstov to move now. I am not going to make this one sided though so I win, want us both to get a deal done that makes us both happy. Will send you PM now. I'm not interested in Spurgeon he was the bad player I was taking off of you to help get a trade done |
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on May 19, 2021 10:44:08 GMT -8
I think you’re missing my point lol. Sometimes it’s just about who and where the player plays. Look at Quinn Hughes off my team guy was a bum bet if I traded him he’d get 50 points on a different team and I’ve got a fairly good teamJim Benning also thinks he has a good team He does on paper if you remove Myers, Hamonic, Holtby, Beagle, Roussel, Boyd, Eriksson, Graovac, Hawryluk, Highmore, Virtanen, Macewen, Vesey then move everyone down 1 line except Petey,Boeser, Horvat Demko and Hughes |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on May 19, 2021 10:46:15 GMT -8
Thanks Stinky this was so much fun  |
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Jun 22, 2021 12:44:51 GMT -8
So Firstov, an 83 on a bad team, had 11 more goals than an 88 overall sniper on what should have been a good team (looking at how Carolina performed the last couple months of the season). Yeah, my point stands lol I think you’re missing my point lol. Sometimes it’s just about who and where the player plays. Look at Quinn Hughes off my team guy was a bum bet if I traded him he’d get 50 points on a different team and I’ve got a fairly good team Quinn Hughes tearing it up now  |
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