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Post by Player Representative on Jun 15, 2021 14:38:36 GMT -8
 RD Radko Gudas DFD 84 (33) 1M UFA 2024 Come in our top 6! Try there 1 year we are going for the cup. Chicago Blackhawks GM |
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Post by New York Islanders GM on Jun 15, 2021 15:03:16 GMT -8
lol, how is this even allowed. At a minimum, it should be 2.5M NMC.
Do all GMs get this price when it's extension time?
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Jun 15, 2021 16:42:41 GMT -8
lol, how is this even allowed. At a minimum, it should be 2.5M NMC. Do all GMs get this price when it's extension time? I got Manson for .750 and he’s 1 overall less lol. Cap didn’t rise so these guys are getting cheaper contracts now lol. So basically if you had to sign any extensions for your guys prior to this year kind of got screwed now |
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Jun 15, 2021 18:45:56 GMT -8
The cap DID go up, from 81.5 to 85.
This isn’t an ext, it’s a FA signing. For an older vet, that no one else has room for. You guys are acting like this doesn’t happen irl, when it happens all the time.
Next season the cap is going up again, and things will probably be more in line to what you’re used to
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Jun 16, 2021 7:02:01 GMT -8
The cap DID go up, from 81.5 to 85. This isn’t an ext, it’s a FA signing. For an older vet, that no one else has room for. You guys are acting like this doesn’t happen irl, when it happens all the time. Next season the cap is going up again, and things will probably be more in line to what you’re used to Now it shouldn’t that’s the problem lol. Pr just gave out a bunch of unreal deals lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 8:40:18 GMT -8
It's a 1 year deal, not too unrealistic
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs GM on Jun 17, 2021 5:02:19 GMT -8
This happens in every league, I don't understand why you guys keep complaining. There's always FA's leftovers that come cheap.
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Jun 17, 2021 6:23:23 GMT -8
This happens in every league, I don't understand why you guys keep complaining. There's always FA's leftovers that come cheap. The whole point has flown over your head. Why not sign some of these guys to say Boston or another non gm team to make them appealing for new gms? Instead of giving other teams an advantage and punishing other teams like mine |
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Jun 17, 2021 6:43:31 GMT -8
The only non-GM teams are EDM, TBL, and STL. And only EDM has cap really, so…. If you were an older vet, do you take the money in EDM or the cup run with CHI? Again, happens all the time. And you haven’t been punished, lol. No one forced you to sign anyone, and EVERYONE here is in the same boat. It’s not like only YOU had signings done by the new PR.
It seems like it might be kinda going over your head lol.
You said the cap didn’t raise, it did. You said this doesn’t happen in other leagues, it clearly does. You want non GM teams to do signings, but they don’t have cap room either. You then go to say that now, the cap shouldn’t raise. When you were literally saying in the shoutbox after FA, and I’m paraphrasing, “ the cap better go up next year because no one has space and these signings fucked everyone” lol
Sooo, go ahead and tell me the solution to this problem that doesn’t involve a time machine and you personally training PR. I’m always open to suggestions, but I haven’t really seen one that isn’t already being implemented next season.
And to tbh, I already kinda sense there’s no winning on this. If PR starts doing signings more consistent to what Crank was doing, SOMEONE will still point to xyz deal this past season and have a freak out. And maybe they’ll feel like they were slighted because Jonny Gretzky got a cheap ext this last season, and their guy got screwed because his deal wasn’t up.
But again, for those of you wanting realism, when the cap doesn’t go up irl, guys sign for cheaper. Every 3-4 years, there’s a cap crunch in the NHL, and players get screwed because the market is too good.
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Jun 17, 2021 6:59:33 GMT -8
Carolina Hurricanes GM Boston is a mess. Dallas has room Anaheim. Not sure about stlouis he’s inactive. These are just off the top of my head. What’s the cap gone up 3.5 or something? Average salary had gone up by that much until pr changed hands.
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Jun 17, 2021 7:05:17 GMT -8
Yeah, maybe. But they have a GM. I’ve talked to him on Discord just a couple days ago. Guy just got busy. His team is compliant. It’s not my job to micromanage his team just so everybody feels like the contracts are ok. I don’t know what direction he wants to go in I totally get being annoyed that guys are being signed cheaply right now. It’s not perfect by any means, but I wouldn’t go so far as to says it’s broken. We’ll get figured out. Probably just in time for a reboot  |
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Post by Vancouver Canucks GM on Jun 17, 2021 7:16:27 GMT -8
Honestly I’m not even mad about this signing lol Gudas is a #6 guy more pissed that everyone is getting deals on guys they resigned and before we had to pay more. I had to trade and not re-sign a ton of guys cuz of it. Then a little birdie let me know about the inconsistency on the upgrades so now that’s what made me mad
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Jun 17, 2021 8:08:13 GMT -8
Yeah I get you about the re-signings, but you aren’t the only one that happened to. I know I had to ship guys out that I’d have rather kept, but couldn’t. So, I think that stuff affected everybody across the board.
I don’t really know what you’re getting at about the upgrades. I know they were a little different than Cranker, so if that’s what you mean. Yeah, I don’t know what you guys wanted me to do. Cranker had a system. I don’t REALLY know what that was. I did my best. I used hockleague as a bit of a guide, but didn’t really hold players too hard to their player type. Especially D. I did try to keep the spirit of what Cranker was doing in regards to them being able to increase a bit more than Hockleague. Him and I had discussed that downgrades would be a little harsher in the upcoming seasons, and again I tried to do that because that was the plan.
How should I have handled it? Every offseason we get messages with people saying “ this league takes too long”, “ guess this league is dead”, and shit like that because it takes too long to get stuff moving. Then Crankers upgrades come out, people bitch. Cranker comes to me and says he doesn’t have the time really to do it anymore. So, do we sit on our asses and wait for someone else to step up? Scrap the whole thing because now it’s not going to be consistent? I’m genuinely asking. Because I’m not sure what you guys want. Within 48-72 hours of Cranker saying he couldn’t do it, I had them up for you guys. LAK helped me too
You want consistency? You’re going to get a system like Hockleague. Which is a great system, but again, people bitch. It’s too rigid, how come a ply getting 40 goals but only 60 pts gets punished because of player type, etc. I loved that system because you could follow along, and more or less knew what you were getting. People wanted something different. I’ve said it before, but 3 leagues. All doing their own version. Let’s enjoy each for what they are
If this about Hertl / Kreider again, as I said before, Kreider was killing it on hits and takeaways. That’s why that happened
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Post by New York Islanders GM on Jun 17, 2021 9:45:46 GMT -8
I don't think anyone has realized this but the league has unintentionally screwed over VAN the past 2 seasons with upgrades/downgrades and re-signings. Not blaming anyone for this but I would be pissed if I was VAN.
On first glance, VAN has been shafted for everything. Why do his players sign for 2-4M more a year than everyone else? Why do his players get nothing or downgrades and then the next year the same type of player gets an upgrade on another team for having the same or worse stats than VAN's players.
I'm pretty sure VAN is just asking for a little consistency in things from year to year. Yeah, PR + upgrades changed who are doing them but to have such discrepancies between the previous years and the past year is the part that has people mad/confused.
Also, you kind of a system that hurts top players that are older that are signed for long term. Ages 28-32.
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Jun 17, 2021 10:17:43 GMT -8
That’s fair, if that’s really been the case. Do you guys think you could give me some examples? Other than Hertl, as I’ve already gone over that.
I’m looking through his re-signings, and he’s getting the same deals everyone else is. 11M for 94 Pasta, 5.5M for Bergeron 90, Horvat at 7M 88, Podkolzin 85 at 5M, Hughes 88 at 7M. Granted, I haven’t seen EVERYONES re-signings, but that’s what it cost me for similar players. UFA is a bidding system. So if someone signed for more in one of those cases, that’s kinda on VAN
Is there really a player who deserved an upgrade on VAN last season that didn’t get it? I just need some examples so I can figured out what happened.
A handful of GMs private messaged me about a couple players, and I took care of it. I know I responded to VAN at least once in a thread telling him to message me about any one he felt got shafted. Never received a message. I went through some 900+ players stats and ages. If someone got missed it wasn’t intentional. You guys don’t have all the stats either. HITS, BLKs, TKs, GVs, etc all played a part in upgrades. So I’d imagine if you see a discrepancy in an upgrade/downgrade, that’s the reason
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