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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Aug 14, 2021 14:42:36 GMT -8
Ok guys it’s getting close to that time, and work is being done to get things ready. Don’t worry, there is still more to come from this era. And I wouldn’t start trading those draft picks just yet  But I kinda wanted to gauge interest in a couple new ideas before we start putting too much work into it First off, I wanted to do some things a little differently. RETRACTION Drop down to 26 teams, unless the league is full on day 1. There are two reasons for this. One being that I haven’t seen one of these leagues completely full. And two, this creates other issues for the league having these open teams. Trades, signings, general roster issues. There seems to be about 24-25 GMs that check this every couple days, if not daily. So 26 should be a good number CUSTOM TEAMS 2nd thing was to allow you to have a custom team. You’ll be allowed to pick your City/Name. Supply me a png (or I can find you one), and you’re good to go. This will actually help me in game. So it isn’t more work. EAs roster limits and glitches are kinda irritating me, and this is a work around that I’ll be doing anyway. So wether I name it Pittsburgh Penguins or Pittsburgh Pansies. It doesn’t matter to me. Your logo will be on the site, and you’ll have your own :abr : FANTASY DRAFT Along these same lines, there will be a full fantasy draft. We’re working on a nice system for this that will be able to work for everyone, so don’t get bogged down on details. Don’t worry, it won’t be run in a thread like the Entry Drafts. BYE-BYE AHL SIM Lastly, the demise of the AHL system. Hey, it happened everywhere else for different reasons. The reason I’m giving you is lack of compliance. It’s gotten old harping on people to stay compliant. Especially when there’s about 35-40% who don’t like it anyway. It makes me sad, but a sweeter replacement is on the way World Jrs / World Championships / AHL taxi squad This replaces the old AHL system. Again, I don’t want to get caught up in the details. There’s quite of few of us working on the implementation of this. But the essentials are this No full AHL roster 6-8 AHL taxi squad guys required. Any player who doesn’t play NHL will eligible to be nominated to World Jrs team Player Development (upgrades) will be based on performance in the tournament. Eligibility - 18-23 years old, up to 3 years tournament eligibility There’s gonna be a lot more to this, I just don’t want to give everything away right now. I also don’t want people getting caught up on “AHL should be 10, or whatever” So basically, Custom Teams/Fantasy Draft/World Jrs does that sound interesting ? Or just keep things the same |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs GM on Aug 14, 2021 16:17:33 GMT -8
Just to toss an idea.
For the eventual reboot, could we have a week where we quick sim a few seasons?
Maybe on Monday, we quick sim season X then on Thursday (a few days of offseason activities) we quick sim another one? Followed by one last on a Sunday? No stats, just standings and playoffs or something like that.
Just to see who wins it. I always hate when things reboot when teams are rebuilding and just on the cusp of being competitive again.
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Aug 14, 2021 16:25:26 GMT -8
Just to toss an idea. For the eventual reboot, could we have a week where we quick sim a few seasons? Maybe on Monday, we quick sim season X then on Thursday (a few days of offseason activities) we quick sim another one? Followed by one last on a Sunday? No stats, just standings and playoffs or something like that. Just to see who wins it. I always hate when things reboot when teams are rebuilding and just on the cusp of being competitive again. That was kinda my plan tbh. There will be value with your remaining draft picks, and there will be a quick sim to kinda finish things off. Maybe we’ll do a couple |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Aug 14, 2021 17:05:16 GMT -8
Just to toss an idea. For the eventual reboot, could we have a week where we quick sim a few seasons? Maybe on Monday, we quick sim season X then on Thursday (a few days of offseason activities) we quick sim another one? Followed by one last on a Sunday? No stats, just standings and playoffs or something like that. Just to see who wins it. I always hate when things reboot when teams are rebuilding and just on the cusp of being competitive again. That was kinda my plan tbh. There will be value with your remaining draft picks, and there will be a quick sim to kinda finish things off. Maybe we’ll do a couple I would vote on keep it the same just to avoid this. Not interested in quick simming to just see results. That is what you buy the game for if you just want to do a bunch of quick simmed seasons to see if you can win a cup real fast lol |
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Aug 14, 2021 17:13:43 GMT -8
That was kinda my plan tbh. There will be value with your remaining draft picks, and there will be a quick sim to kinda finish things off. Maybe we’ll do a couple I would vote on keep it the same just to avoid this. Not interested in quick simming to just see results. That is what you buy the game for if you just want to do a bunch of quick simmed seasons to see if you can win a cup real fast lol Just for clarification, nothing is changing in regards to the box scores and how the season is run. Maybe I misunderstood Toronto Maple Leafs GM , but I think he was just talking about to finish off THIS era. Once the reboot happens there won’t be a quick sim. And we’re continuing on this season like normal I think there’s a couple teams that just want to see a what if to end off this ERA |
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Post by Montreal Canadiens GM on Aug 14, 2021 22:53:17 GMT -8
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs GM on Aug 15, 2021 6:31:10 GMT -8
I would vote on keep it the same just to avoid this. Not interested in quick simming to just see results. That is what you buy the game for if you just want to do a bunch of quick simmed seasons to see if you can win a cup real fast lol Just for clarification, nothing is changing in regards to the box scores and how the season is run. Maybe I misunderstood Toronto Maple Leafs GM , but I think he was just talking about to finish off THIS era. Once the reboot happens there won’t be a quick sim. And we’re continuing on this season like normal I think there’s a couple teams that just want to see a what if to end off this ERA Exactly. Leagues usually end abruptly and I've found myself rebuilding and just about to be competitive when they reboot. It sucks. Gimme a few quick sims to see if I rebuilt properly. I'm sure a few guys are in the same boat. Even guys who built a juggernaut want to see if it was all worth it. |
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Post by Ottawa Senators GM on Aug 15, 2021 8:32:06 GMT -8
Leagues usually end abruptly and I've found myself rebuilding and just about to be competitive when they reboot. It sucks. Gimme a few quick sims to see if I rebuilt properly. I'm sure a few guys are in the same boat. Even guys who built a juggernaut want to see if it was all worth it. I'm in the same boat here, but a big factor on the success of a rebuild is the offseason upgrades, and if we're quick simming just to see, is it worth it for Carolina Hurricanes GM to do all those upgrades between quick simmed seasons? I don't think so. One thing I usually advocate for when rebooting is a solid plan for how long we'll go before rebooting again (ie. 8 seasons then reboot again) |
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Aug 15, 2021 9:17:36 GMT -8
Leagues usually end abruptly and I've found myself rebuilding and just about to be competitive when they reboot. It sucks. Gimme a few quick sims to see if I rebuilt properly. I'm sure a few guys are in the same boat. Even guys who built a juggernaut want to see if it was all worth it. One thing I usually advocate for when rebooting is a solid plan for how long we'll go before rebooting again (ie. 8 seasons then reboot again) Sens makes a good point on the upgrades. Tbh, I probably would only input the upgrades after our final NORMAL season. Have 1 last MPU/APU, then I’d just run at least 1 more quick sim. Or whatever you guys wanted. But doing upgrades after each quick sim, and getting stuff ready for the next ERA might be a bit much :/ I think a tentative plan is good idea for sure. This was my first go around running sims like this. I’ve learned a bit, and I feel like I have a better system in place. That’s why this one is rebooting a bit sooner than I would’ve liked Personally, my goal would be around 10 seasons |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Aug 15, 2021 10:11:16 GMT -8
we would have to get started on that Fantasy Draft as soon as possible as that would take a month just to get that part done. It is a great idea and everybody has wanted to do it, but it has never been done because of the time it will take to get it done.
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Post by Chicago Blackhawks GM on Aug 15, 2021 10:24:23 GMT -8
So wait, this looks fun, We will choose a custom team and make a draft to build a roster?
If it's that I am changing my vote Lmao
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Aug 15, 2021 10:54:53 GMT -8
we would have to get started on that Fantasy Draft as soon as possible as that would take a month just to get that part done. It is a great idea and everybody has wanted to do it, but it has never been done because of the time it will take to get it done. We’re working on a plan for this. But essentially, there will be a master list with all players info on it. And each GM will be required to submit Draft List of their preferred players at what rd. Or you can just state BPA, or best C available, etc. The draft will probably happen live, and people will be able to make their pick that way if they want, otherwise we will refer to the list you provided. But there will be a strict time limit on picks. Like maybe 10 mins for the 1st couple RD, and then taper off. I think we can actually knock it over the course of 2 sessions. Chicago Blackhawks GM yeah. Basically when we have the team selection draft you’ll be able to choose the City/Name of your team. Provide me with your logo and you’re good to go. If we do the fantasy draft, you’ll be drafting your team from scratch. |
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Post by Chicago Blackhawks GM on Aug 15, 2021 11:09:38 GMT -8
we would have to get started on that Fantasy Draft as soon as possible as that would take a month just to get that part done. It is a great idea and everybody has wanted to do it, but it has never been done because of the time it will take to get it done. We’re working on a plan for this. But essentially, there will be a master list with all players info on it. And each GM will be required to submit Draft List of their preferred players at what rd. Or you can just state BPA, or best C available, etc. The draft will probably happen live, and people will be able to make their pick that way if they want, otherwise we will refer to the list you provided. But there will be a strict time limit on picks. Like maybe 10 mins for the 1st couple RD, and then taper off. I think we can actually knock it over the course of 2 sessions. Chicago Blackhawks GM yeah. Basically when we have the team selection draft you’ll be able to choose the City/Name of your team. Provide me with your logo and you’re good to go. If we do the fantasy draft, you’ll be drafting your team from scratch. Changed my vote. |
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Post by Columbus Blue Jackets GM on Aug 15, 2021 12:24:15 GMT -8
we would have to get started on that Fantasy Draft as soon as possible as that would take a month just to get that part done. It is a great idea and everybody has wanted to do it, but it has never been done because of the time it will take to get it done. I think the best way to do this is to have 2-3 live drafts, with a day or two in between for teams to get organized if they missed the draft. Similar styled drafts to EANHL with hockey fan |
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Aug 15, 2021 14:50:32 GMT -8
we would have to get started on that Fantasy Draft as soon as possible as that would take a month just to get that part done. It is a great idea and everybody has wanted to do it, but it has never been done because of the time it will take to get it done. I think the best way to do this is to have 2-3 live drafts, with a day or two in between for teams to get organized if they missed the draft. Similar styled drafts to EANHL with hockey fan Yeah we wanted to try and split it up. Originally we were thinking of doing an 80+ OA Draft, and then 79- OA Draft. But that’s received some push back lol Which I get. If you wanted to get a guy like Byfield, or Denisenko, they wouldnt be available until Draft 2. Which could impact some building strategies. It will probably be best to split it like you said, 2-3 days, over the course of maybe a week. 7-10 RDs a day. I don’t really think it’s necessary to draft a full roster really. FA could open after with the non drafted players. But I think 20-25 RDs would be good to kinda set up your team. Then you could fill any holes through FA |
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Post by San Jose Sharks GM on Aug 15, 2021 15:05:33 GMT -8
From my perspective, I’ve built a young teams that’s finally competing and would be sad to see it blown up now. I like the idea of a fantasy draft and think it would be fun. But also don’t think that the league is really that stacked in certain teams favour warranting a fantasy draft. I think if we’re gonna do a draft it’s in a different sim engine restarting from y1. I know it would be a heck of alot of effort to keep two sims going but if we could keep this league running the way it is for 1 or 2 more seasons I’d appreciate it.
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Aug 15, 2021 15:42:11 GMT -8
From my perspective, I’ve built a young teams that’s finally competing and would be sad to see it blown up now. I like the idea of a fantasy draft and think it would be fun. But also don’t think that the league is really that stacked in certain teams favour warranting a fantasy draft. I think if we’re gonna do a draft it’s in a different sim engine restarting from y1. I know it would be a heck of alot of effort to keep two sims going but if we could keep this league running the way it is for 1 or 2 more seasons I’d appreciate it. That’s pretty much what’s being proposed. It would be a re-start. From Season 1, with all ratings being reverted back. This era, in this particular format is coming to an end soon(all I mean is one of these proposed ideas is gonna happen for sure. Most likely AHL switching to WJr). There’s a few reasons for this tbh. One being, this league was thrown together very fast, in an attempt to keep everybody together while there wasn’t any other sim sites. I was learning on fly, and other admins have had to kinda step back for various reasons. I feel like we can offer a more consistent experience now. And would like the opportunity to do so from Season 1. I MIGHT be able to do 2 sites, in a limited capacity, for those that would like to see this run it’s course a little more. But I think that would have to be something I see if some of the other admins/mods could help me with. The main questions being discussed are, are you guys gonna take issue with the retraction down to 26 teams? Does it really matter if those 5-6 teams are in the league if they are NON GM controlled anyway? With this idea comes the Fantasy Draft. These go hand in hand. Do you like the idea being able to customize / relocate your franchise? This can probably happen no matter what. Just a matter of wether it will bug people looking for a more realistic experience. AHL to World Juniors and Taxi Squad This is probably happening anyway. Because of Non compliance For some people, this stuff really matters. For some, this is all fantasy anyway so whatever is gonna make for an active fun league is all that matters. I mean, by season 3/4 we’re so far from realms of realism anyway. For me, personally, I have the most fun making trades and discussing why our teams suck so much. Managing the salary cap, and drafting young players. That’s where most of my entertainment comes from in this. But that me. That’s why we’re kinda gauging the reaction here. There will be a couple other small ideas proposed as well. I just don’t want to overwhelm the discussion. Which I think I’ve already done lol |
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Post by New York Islanders GM on Aug 15, 2021 17:23:59 GMT -8
1. Fantasy Draft is going to take at least a month to complete. You would need to hardline a time limit and fixed days if you wanted to get it done quickly. That alone could be a huge scheduling nightmare to try to find a day that everyone is on together.
2. Doing Custom teams seems like a lot of work. I wouldn't even want to do it myself and would ask for a generic name/logo
3. If you retract the amount of teams, you are conceding that you will never be looking to recruit more GMs than the amount at startup.
4. Guys are lazy fucks and the AHL needs to go because it's a huge time sink. I really like the AHL but think it needs to go. Not worth Miiko doing all that work when lots of GMs put no time into it and just let Miiko fix their rosters.
5. Not sure world juniors would work with the current draft system. This most recent draft or the previous one, not sure when it started but this league copied hockleague's prospect list. I think it's mostly CAN + USA + SWE players. Hard to do world jrs when it's only 3 countries. Probably need to make sure the draft fits whatever minor league system you are going to implement.
6. If we are rebooting, the admins should discuss salaries and how to make them more consistent. Who ever does PR needs to remember long term contracts are almost opposite to real life. Long Term = Higher Annual Amount with how upgrades work. 1-2 yr contracts should be less. If you follow how real life goes, Long Term = Lower Annual Amount, it will mess with contracts league wide like it has done in the last couple of seasons.
REMOVE CLAUSES THEY ARE A WASTE OF TIME AND EFFORT -> GMS SIGN PLAYERS IN UFA WITH A CLAUSE AND EXPECT THEM TO AUTO WAIVE THEM IF THE TEAM WANTS TO TRADE THAT PLAYER. JUST MAKE ALL PLAYERS SIGN FOR 1.25M INSTEAD OF GIVING OUT CLAUSES.
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Post by New York Islanders GM on Aug 15, 2021 17:27:17 GMT -8
Also, the poll is kind of asking 2 questions - Fantasy Draft & Minor League System Change. I'm all for changing the minor league system in place. Anything that can save Carolina Hurricanes GM time is good. I'm against going to a fantasy draft and custom teams. |
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Aug 15, 2021 17:55:48 GMT -8
New York Islanders GM All good points and concerns 1. Fantasy Draft - I really think this is doable. Teams just gotta provide their list, and then it goes to BPA. The draft can go as fast as we all want it to. And that’s also why I’m suggesting not drafting your whole 23 player team, + taxi, and + prospects. I think we keep it to 20-25 RDs and let FA take care of the rest. People are gonna have to make choices. Fantasy Hockey leagues do it all the time. Sometimes its automated, but I’ve been in leagues that do it live 2. Custom Teams - You don’t HAVE to do anything. You never see NYI jersey do you? Just provide me a city/name/png of a logo, and 3 colors. I think everyone can do that with very limited effort. You want St Pats? Or just stay Maple Leafs. You won’t notice a difference 3. Retraction - What I’m saying is, I think we have a die hard group that checks this out regularly. And I’m pretty sure we can keep 25-26 teams fully engaged if this is done properly. But I’m also not ruling out, if we had a 5 team wait list by the end of Season 2, I’d be ok with expanding back out through an expansion draft. There’s people that wanted to see that done anyway. We could try that. But I think 25-26 is where it’s always gonna end up. The managing of the non GM teams is a bigger issue than what people realize. I know ideally the league is full with 31-32 awesome GMs. But do you think it’s better to have 5-6 empty teams, or having guys double up, than to just retract?? I’d rather retract 4. Yup. I really like the AHL too. So it does bum me out 5. I didn’t really want to get into details here. But there is system that’s being worked out with this. Really quickly - There will be 8 World Jr Teams (USA, CAN, CZECH/SVK, FIN, SWE, RUS, EUROPE, and NA) These teams will comprise of the upcoming Draft List. As well as each team will be able to nominate 5-6 players to play in the tournament. 3 years of eligibility. 18-23 years old. There will also be a handful of upcoming FAs that will fill out the teams. So you’ll get a chance to check them out before signing them. There’s going to be a scouting component to this too for the draft eligible players. I don’t want to just lay everything out right now. But that’s the gist of it. I was really busy with work and stuff, and we ended up using Hockleagues list for 2024. It’s being fixed to be more in line with our other lists. We will also have more lists done in advance this next time 6. PR has a couple seasons now. Part of the inconsistency was the change from CBJ to LAK. I think he’s doing fine. It’s gotten more consistent I think. PIT is going to help out with minor signings now. So that should help lighten the load as well And yeah, I should’ve made these different polls to judge people’s feelings on each thing. My bad.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs GM on Aug 15, 2021 18:19:16 GMT -8
Leagues usually end abruptly and I've found myself rebuilding and just about to be competitive when they reboot. It sucks. Gimme a few quick sims to see if I rebuilt properly. I'm sure a few guys are in the same boat. Even guys who built a juggernaut want to see if it was all worth it. I'm in the same boat here, but a big factor on the success of a rebuild is the offseason upgrades, and if we're quick simming just to see, is it worth it for Carolina Hurricanes GM to do all those upgrades between quick simmed seasons? I don't think so. One thing I usually advocate for when rebooting is a solid plan for how long we'll go before rebooting again (ie. 8 seasons then reboot again) Fair point on the upgrades. You could up the MPU/APU's for that week. Although that'd allow non-rebuild teams to stack even moreso. Hmmm.. |
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Post by Ottawa Senators GM on Aug 16, 2021 15:41:06 GMT -8
Really quickly - There will be 8 World Jr Teams (USA, CAN, CZECH/SVK, FIN, SWE, RUS, EUROPE, and NA) Do two Canadian teams (West and East) and combine Europe and NA |
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes GM on Aug 16, 2021 17:30:30 GMT -8
Really quickly - There will be 8 World Jr Teams (USA, CAN, CZECH/SVK, FIN, SWE, RUS, EUROPE, and NA) Do two Canadian teams (West and East) and combine Europe and NA Honestly NA basically will be Canada B, but I just wanted there to be another spot for USA too. Between Germany, Swiss, Latvia, and some of the other countries I think Europe could be pretty full. But this is something that can change each season depending on the players being nominated. If a particular squad isn’t strong or enough players, like maybe FIN. They could be rolled into Europe, and there’s a second just Canadian Team. |
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Post by Winnipeg Jets GM on Aug 30, 2021 14:59:40 GMT -8
I'm good with either senario. Just let me know what we're doing. lol
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