BOS-CGY

[Calgary Flames GM]

Negotiated with Miiko


To
LW/C Max Domi PLY 85 (29) 5.7M UFA 2026
RD Kris Letang TWD 88 (37)  Rights
C/LW Daniil Lazutin SNP 78 (21) RFA rights
COL 2024 2nd RD

To
8th overall
RD Dmitri Semykin TWD 83 (24) 1.75M RFA 2026

8th overall doesn't really fit Boston's lineup, so instead they get Letang as a vet presence to develop Hughes first pair, Domi as a solid forward up front, Lazutin as a sniper prospect, and a 2nd this year for the first and an 83 defenseman. This gives Boston the opportunity to play Hughes-Letang first then Nurse-Chun second to best develop the defensive prospects, and he still has the young Dobson third pair being developed by Pelech. 

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

I’m half cut but this seems like absolute dog shit for Boston

[Calgary Flames GM]

Jul 16, 2021 21:33:30 GMT -8 Vancouver Canucks GM said:

I’m half cut but this seems like absolute dog shit for Boston

How come? 8th is an RD DFD and they already have 3 RD, all 83. The next options are a fairly solid dropoff in value, and since Boston can compete, this gives them an 88 first pair, an 85, a sniper prospect that's NHL ready, and a 2nd this year to still have a pick. It's a non-gm trade so I'm not gonna be upset if it's turned down, just wanna know what you think is wrong with it 

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Accept


Bos really needed an upgrade on D to help their guys develop. So that’s where the value is in this I think. Letang plays 1st pair again, with Hughes or Chun, and moves Nurse down with the other one. They haven’t made the playoffs since the league started. They need a star vet to help them transition. I don’t really think the 8th helps them that much.

If people don’t like it, just make sure you reject it. I want non GM trades to be a little harder to get through.

Needs 5 accepts or 3 rejects

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Waiting on this trade to continue with the draft. Let’s ge some votes either way

Assuming VAN is reject, we’re at 2-1 accepts/rejects.

Needs 3 more accepts or 2 rejects

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

Shouldn’t be trading top 10 pucks from non gms this is just stupid.

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

8th overall pick from last year is an 84 already makes this seem even worse and the year before that the 8th overall pick is an 84 at 20

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Jul 17, 2021 10:21:30 GMT -8 Vancouver Canucks GM said:

8th overall pick from last year is an 84 already makes this seem even worse and the year before that the 8th overall pick is an 84 at 20

I get what you’re saying. But just making a blanket statement saying top 10 picks can’t be traded from non GM teams, doesn’t really make sense. 

There’s more than a couple teams that don’t have room to develop like that anymore. 

It’s a lot easier to make the jump to 84 than to 88. 

But I get you 

[New York Islanders GM]

Reject from me.

CGY should be using his compliance buyout on Domi to save cap, not dumping him on a non-gm team

[Calgary Flames GM]

Jul 17, 2021 10:33:28 GMT -8 New York Islanders GM said:

Reject from me.

CGY should be using his compliance buyout on Domi to save cap, not dumping him on a non-gm team

This has nothing to do with needing to save cap from Domi lol

[New York Islanders GM]

Jul 17, 2021 10:34:55 GMT -8 Calgary Flames GM said:

Jul 17, 2021 10:33:28 GMT -8 New York Islanders GM said:

Reject from me.

CGY should be using his compliance buyout on Domi to save cap, not dumping him on a non-gm team

This has nothing to do with needing to save cap from Domi lol

From the outside that's what it looks like. Domi is overpaid and the other 2 players are unsigned. You are also getting a decently signed defeceman back.

[Calgary Flames GM]

Jul 17, 2021 10:37:15 GMT -8 New York Islanders GM said:

Jul 17, 2021 10:34:55 GMT -8 Calgary Flames GM said:

This has nothing to do with needing to save cap from Domi lol

From the outside that's what it looks like. Domi is overpaid and the other 2 players are unsigned. You are also getting a decently signed defeceman back.

I'm moving Domi because Boston needs forwards and I want to use MPU to play Tkachyov second line. Domi's contract really isn't bad, look around the league at guys like Gusev who are the same overall. That 8th overall will just sit in Boston's AHL and at most be an 80 after one season and that's still unlikely. It'd take several seasons for him to match Letang. So instead they can get playable guys now. Boston has needed a first pair RD for ages. Letang led in TKs despite being second pair on a bottom 6 team. This gives Boston the chance to finally compete. If you think the cap from Domi is so atrocious I could retain some, though

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

I see where the rejects are coming from, and I’d rather everyone be good with it. I still feel like the main point is being missed though. Letang could be highly sought after. Bringing him probably boosts the chances of Hughes or Chun actually becoming an 88.

The guy getting drafted will NOT be playing NHL unless BOS gets a GM. So the idea that he’s gonna be 84 next season, isn’t accurate

So, that will probably lower Chun/Hughes upgrade potential, as well as stagnate the drafted player. I didn’t really see Domi as a dump, but I get that perspective. I think his salary is pretty much in line with some other guys rated like that. I have Gusev at 85, 5.75M, and I wouldn’t even consider buying him out.

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

Boston was the 7th worst team in the league last year non gm team they need to rebuild not take on older guys who are on their last legs.

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

They have been that bad for a while. They have won 2 Calders. They actually are ready to make the next jump. I really disagree they need a rebuild. Especially their D. Look at the ages man

[New York Islanders GM]

It's a non-gm team trading a top 10 pick. There is a defenceman and a forward they could take. So no matter what they need, it's available.

Trading for letang actually hurts the development of their other defencemen. Usually only 4 dman get a good amount of playing time. With Letang they will have 5.

Nurse, Hughes, Chun, Dobson all need to play in top 4 to be able to grow/upgrade

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

In all honesty it should be Zegras for the 8th.

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Dobson sucked last season, didn’t get anything as top 4. Semykin played bottom 3 and got a boost. It’s really not as clear cut at that. Fit is EVERYTHING. I think this is a good fit for them.


We’re at 2 and 2. Someone else just vote so we can move forward. Either way it’s good. I didn’t think this would be as hated as it is lol

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Jul 17, 2021 10:56:40 GMT -8 Vancouver Canucks GM said:

In all honesty it should be Zegras for the 8th.

I’m not CGY, and I think that’s crazy. You guys value top 10 picks insanely. 

Next time I have a top pick, I’m coming to you. (Although I don’t believe you would have even offered that for the guy you wanted on Hockleague lol) 


Who would trade an 87 in their prime for 8th OA pick DFD?? 

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

Jul 17, 2021 10:47:16 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

I

The guy getting drafted will NOT be playing NHL unless BOS gets a GM. So the idea that he’s gonna be 84 next season, isn’t accurate
even consider buying him out.

Then that’s a fail on your part. Don’t you remember Minny I think originally? Totally screwed all their young guys by doing that New York Islanders GM was whining about it I think . And if Boston already has all these young dmen why not take the forward and play him top line

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

Jul 17, 2021 10:58:59 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

Jul 17, 2021 10:56:40 GMT -8 Vancouver Canucks GM said:

In all honesty it should be Zegras for the 8th.

I’m not CGY, and I think that’s crazy. You guys value top 10 picks insanely. 

Next time I have a top pick, I’m coming to you. (Although I don’t believe you would have even offered that for the guy you wanted on Hockleague lol) 


Who would trade an 87 in their prime for 8th OA pick DFD?? 

Why do you keep saying dfd ? Boston doesn’t have to take him lol. I traded an 88 or something I think Gaudreau to snag in hockleague for a top pick era prior to what we’re on now. I just think this is terrible for a non gm trade

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Jul 17, 2021 11:09:53 GMT -8 Vancouver Canucks GM said:

Jul 17, 2021 10:58:59 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

I’m not CGY, and I think that’s crazy. You guys value top 10 picks insanely. 

Next time I have a top pick, I’m coming to you. (Although I don’t believe you would have even offered that for the guy you wanted on Hockleague lol) 


Who would trade an 87 in their prime for 8th OA pick DFD?? 

Why do you keep saying dfd ? Boston doesn’t have to take him lol. I traded an 88 or something I think Gaudreau to snag in hockleague for a top pick era prior to what we’re on now. I just think this is terrible for a non gm trade

That’s exactly what I was attempting to do. But Letang’s age is obviously a factor. He’s just probably the best D available in a trade. 


The problem with Minny was exactly what I’m trying to prevent. Minny had TOO many prospects, not getting good playing time. Players don’t just grow on their own. They need top players to play with. It’s just a fact. That’s why Minny didn’t make the playoffs until there was a GM. 

You can have too many young guys and it stagnates the team. 

No offense to LAK, but I think that’s a good example of having too many young guys, without the proper vets to help out. He’s gotten his growth a little sparse, and he’s still getting 1 OA picks. 


At some point, you’ve got to make the deals to bring in guys. If someone has a guy like a Letang, that they would trade for the 8th OA, I’d love to see the offer 

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

Jul 17, 2021 11:21:59 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

Jul 17, 2021 11:09:53 GMT -8 Vancouver Canucks GM said:

Why do you keep saying dfd ? Boston doesn’t have to take him lol. I traded an 88 or something I think Gaudreau to snag in hockleague for a top pick era prior to what we’re on now. I just think this is terrible for a non gm trade

That’s exactly what I was attempting to do. But Letang’s age is obviously a factor. He’s just probably the best D available in a trade. 


The problem with Minny was exactly what I’m trying to prevent. Minny had TOO many prospects, not getting good playing time. Players don’t just grow on their own. They need top players to play with. It’s just a fact. That’s why Minny didn’t make the playoffs until there was a GM. 

You can have too many young guys and it stagnates the team. 

No offense to LAK, but I think that’s a good example of having too many young guys, without the proper vets to help out. He’s gotten his growth a little sparse, and he’s still getting 1 OA picks. 


At some point, you’ve got to make the deals to bring in guys. If someone has a guy like a Letang, that they would trade for the 8th OA, I’d love to see the offer 

Nobody would trade the 8th overall pick for Letang that would be outright stupid lol. Why would you trade a top pick which clearly makes you a shitty team for a 37 year old dman lol? Makes zero sense imo but obviously we see things differently so we can just agree to disagree. Domi for Semykin is the only thing I see fair here. Lazutin apparently has no value with what you and flames have been saying and the 2nd will be most likely a 3rd/4th liner

[New York Islanders GM]

Why is everyone is assuming BOS would take a defenceman? Draft the next guy and make him 77 OA. Then that gives BOS the forward they supposedly need. Put all their MPU into Chun & Hughes, then chose btwn Dobson or Semykin to use the last MPUs or use it on one of their younger forwards.

There's so many ways to improve BOS other than trading away a top 10 pick.

2nd rd picks have lost what little value they have now because the league changed the way it does the draft and mirrored hockleague for some reason.

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Jul 17, 2021 11:26:46 GMT -8 Vancouver Canucks GM said:

Jul 17, 2021 11:21:59 GMT -8 Carolina Hurricanes GM said:

That’s exactly what I was attempting to do. But Letang’s age is obviously a factor. He’s just probably the best D available in a trade. 


The problem with Minny was exactly what I’m trying to prevent. Minny had TOO many prospects, not getting good playing time. Players don’t just grow on their own. They need top players to play with. It’s just a fact. That’s why Minny didn’t make the playoffs until there was a GM. 

You can have too many young guys and it stagnates the team. 

No offense to LAK, but I think that’s a good example of having too many young guys, without the proper vets to help out. He’s gotten his growth a little sparse, and he’s still getting 1 OA picks. 


At some point, you’ve got to make the deals to bring in guys. If someone has a guy like a Letang, that they would trade for the 8th OA, I’d love to see the offer 

Nobody would trade the 8th overall pick for Letang that would be outright stupid lol. Why would you trade a top pick which clearly makes you a shitty team for a 37 year old dman lol? Makes zero sense imo but obviously we see things differently so we can just agree to disagree. Domi for Semykin is the only thing I see fair here. Lazutin apparently has no value with what you and flames have been saying and the 2nd will be most likely a 3rd/4th liner

This trade probably won’t go through. But I want to remember this. Whoever BOS ends up taking, we’ll go ahead and compare 3 seasons down the line. I think you’re really wrong here. 

Letang was still a premier D man. Top in TK. I think he’s got 3 seasons left in the tank. 

I see where you’re coming from. Just trying to be bold for BOS. I’m tired of them sucking. Another prospect that won’t have an NHL spot. And I’m no gonna put him in NHL just for the sake. They have better players than that, but no one in the Elite range 

Teams that are constantly rebuilding, just continue to suck. Was trying to take BOS in different direction 

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

Carolina Hurricanes GM if you don’t play the guy in the nhl than you’re not looking for ways to improve Boston and it would be an epic fail on your part imo. There a bottom team they should be playing their young guys or very least trading for mid aged guys not guys on there last few years of their careers

[Carolina Hurricanes GM]

Jul 17, 2021 11:29:38 GMT -8 New York Islanders GM said:

Why is everyone is assuming BOS would take a defenceman? Draft the next guy and make him 77 OA. Then that gives BOS the forward they supposedly need. Put all their MPU into Chun & Hughes, then chose btwn Dobson or Semykin to use the last MPUs or use it on one of their younger forwards.

There's so many ways to improve BOS other than trading away a top 10 pick.

2nd rd picks have lost what little value they have now because the league changed the way it does the draft and mirrored hockleague for some reason.

2nd Rd picks will ALWAYS have value here because of dynamic upgrades, and the fact you can play 18-19 year olds in AHL 

Chun isn’t eligible for MPU, because of exactly the issue I’m attempting to prevent. He played AHL because of their depth on D. 

Have any of you actually looked at their AHL and players? They don’t NEED anything except a top D. That’s the main hole they have. Domi was a throw in, but he still has value. But BOS doesn’t NEED a F 

Also, the team has 2 Calder’s. Their issues have been not getting players in soon enough, and a logjam of prospects. 

You guys don’t like the age on Letang? Fine. Good point. Fair point. That’s the ONLY issue with this deal. 

But to say it’s stupid for BOS to trade the pick I don’t think is really looking at the whole picture 

[Washington Capitals GM]

I'll weigh in. What's the harm in trying to take a non-GM team in a different direction than the norm? Boston is a better team next season on paper with Letang and Domi instead of Semykin and the 8th overall. Say this 8th overall is a 77, then becomes an 80 next season at best, then there's a decent chance Boston has to use MPU and/or APU to make that 8th overall anywhere close to Letang, which Boston will be using on other top prospect D men...Miiko is trying to help Boston skip some of the time sucking to make a dent in the shitty Atlantic division.

On the flip side, what are the chances Letang says fuck you to Boston and doesn't sign???

[Vancouver Canucks GM]

Washington Capitals GM the 8th overall pick from last year already is a 84 after 1 season. The year before that the 8th overall is an 84 after 2 seasons. Also ya Letang could say that which would make a lot of sense since he’s old and would want to play for cups not play on a bottom 10 team from the year before

[Calgary Flames GM]

Jul 17, 2021 11:45:31 GMT -8 Washington Capitals GM said:

I'll weigh in. What's the harm in trying to take a non-GM team in a different direction than the norm? Boston is a better team next season on paper with Letang and Domi instead of Semykin and the 8th overall. Say this 8th overall is a 77, then becomes an 80 next season at best, then there's a decent chance Boston has to use MPU and/or APU to make that 8th overall anywhere close to Letang, which Boston will be using on other top prospect D men...Miiko is trying to help Boston skip some of the time sucking to make a dent in the shitty Atlantic division.

On the flip side, what are the chances Letang says fuck you to Boston and doesn't sign???

Miiko said he wouldn't let Letang go to FA since this is a deal with a non-gm team and he wants to use Letang to help change the direction of Boston, so no chance